Listening skills: How do you learn to listen?


Double-entendre. 


Had a few experiences lately that together were a stark reminder of something known for a long time, because I lived it myself.  

In the beginning, or at any rate going back to about 1991, I was unable to hear any difference between different CD players and DACs. Even some amplifiers, they might not sound exactly the same but I was hard pressed to say why.  

This went on for a long time. Months. Many months. Like okay a year. Whatever. During which time I was driving around hitting all the Seattle/Portland area stores listening to everything I could find. About the only difference big enough to be sure of was receivers. They for sure are crap. But even there it was hard to say exactly in what way. Just the difference there was glaring enough it was obvious this is not the way to go. But that was about it.    

All during this time of course I was reading Stereophile and studying all the reviews and building up a vocabulary of audiophile terms. The problem, seen clearly as usual only in the rear view mirror, was not really being able to match up the terminology with what I was hearing. I had words, and sounds, but without meaning, having no real link or connection between them.  

One day after yet another frustrating trip to Definitive I came home and put on my XLO Test CD and was listening to the Michael Ruff track Poor Boy when it hit me, THIS IS THAT SOUND!!!  

What sound? Good question! The better high end gear is more full and round and liquid and less etched or grainy. Poor Boy is Sheffield, all tube, and so even though being played from CD through my grainy etched mid-fi the tubey magic came through enough to trigger the elusive connection. THIS is "that sound"!  

Once triggered, this realization grew and spread real fast. In no time at all it became easy to hear differences between all kinds of things. "No time at all" was probably months, but seemed like no time at all compared to how long I was going nowhere.  

What happened? There are a near infinite number of different sonic characteristics. Attack and decay, fundamental tone, harmonic, and timbre, those were a few of the early ones I was able to get a handle on- but the list goes on and on.  

Just to go by experience, reading reviews, and talking to other audiophiles it would seem most of us spend an awful lot of time concentrating real hard on our own little list of these terms. We have our personal audiophile checklist and dutifully run down the list. The list has its uses but no matter how extensive the list becomes it always remains a tiny little blip on the infinite list of all there is.  

So what brought this to mind is recently a couple guys, several in fact, heard some of the coolest most impressive stuff I know and said....meh. Not hearing it.  

This is not a case of they prefer something else. This is not hearing any difference whatsoever. At all. None. Nada. Zip.

Like me, back in the day, with CD.  

These are not noobs either. We're talking serious, seasoned, experienced audiophiles here.

I'm not even sure it comes down to what they are listening for. Like me in '91, hard to know what you're listening for until you know what you're listening for.  

Which comes first?
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The usual villians refused to stay on topic and so I had the discussion closed. There was useful information there so rather than have it removed I had it closed. This way the useful information remains for people to read and learn.

Certain people feel entitled to wreck any discussion and make it their own. No one in real life would barge in on a conversation the way they do. Even now after some of the worst have been banned, even now they still do not get it. Just move along. Please.

This discussion will continue for as long as it stays on topic. If they want to wreck it there will be another, and after a while then this approach will make it crystal clear they have no real desire to do anything but wreck productive conversation. They will by their own actions demonstrate the only course left is to ban them. If this happens it will be them doing it to themselves.

Bear in mind this is a last resort. Need I remind you of the letters these people have mailed trying to threaten and harass me even to the point of filing fraudulent charges against my x-ray license? They all know about this, and yet not a one of them has spoken out against it. So that shows just how aberrant they are.

Others are catching on to what is going on. Eventually enough people will speak up to put a stop to this. Put a stop to them. Until then, we will try this. Close discussion, thereby creating a record. Giving them all the rope they need, so to speak.

Meantime, I am genuinely curious how it is people learn to recognize new sounds. My hunch is even those who say they just sit and listen "to music" must eventually gradually somehow notice things like timbre, attack, decay, etc and that with certain components these sound more "right" than with others.

But, how? How did the sounds and the words that describe the sounds become linked and one in their mind? My hunch, another one, it is like my experience and like ghdprentice, after a long long time suddenly one day, AHA! Eureka!

But it is only a hunch. Hence the discussion. May it stay on topic....


It’s a free and open forum. People can say what they want. Enough of the censorship mentality and cancel culture. If someone has continuous issues with what people say maybe look in the mirror. Chances are you are part of the problem. You can only control yourself not others. Everyone should work hard to get along and make things better.
Bear in mind this is a last resort. Need I remind you of the letters these people have mailed trying to threaten and harass me even to the point of filing fraudulent charges against my x-ray license? They all know about this, and yet not a one of them has spoken out against it. So that shows just how aberrant they are.
This is a pretty serious accusation that you have made twice now.

I am a certified public accounant who retired a couple of years ago after 45 years as the tax director of the largest electric company in Vermont, which is still very small compared to most other states. I have worked for some very large fortune 100 companies before that. In other words, I have been around.

If someone was to file a negative performance report on you with your place of business or a review board it would need to be signed by the person complaining so it could be verified that it was filed by an actual customer. No business or especially review board would or should take seriously an anonymous, unsigned complaint. How would someone on this forum who was not an actual customer of your place of business file a complaint?

Is it possible that you are blaming Agoners for the actions of some of your actual customers?  I can only speak for myself, but it is my impression that very few or more likely none of us takes this hobby, or any of the other posters, including yourself, that seriously to do the underhanded, vile things you are describing.


If this is the case someone else put it, and I am sure Mapman’s name on this complaint. How would you or any other Agoners other than whom I have bought or sold from even know what my name is?  Besides that, I have only PM’d a couple of people ever on this forum in 20 years.

Or are you saying the complaint letter was signed by jetter and mapman and other Agon names?