An interesting demonstration


The woman whose name is Poppy does a mind bending demonstration of how suggestion can dictate what we hear.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ 
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Looking at a landscape, I don’t go jumping around from one particular to another, but "take in the whole." Indeed, most of our experience of eating is exactly about the combination of flavors and not the individual flavors.
Great post....

I was saying to him the same thing in a post above about WHOLENESS ...

A take by the ear of a maestro on an aspect of musical orchestral sound is a "perspective" focused from a detail to the whole and from the whole to the detail...

Tonal Timbre microdynamic playing is a "perspectival information " between the properties of a sounding body and the other objects in resonance with him... We human can "see " music not only hear it...

Consciousness is a "learned" power by a spirit not a mere fixed ability mechanically reproducible which wait to be debunk...
I guess my point would be that the experience of the combination can be as immediate as the experience of the particular; indeed, the experience of a particular which is embedded in a larger whole involves the mental act where we have to "prescind" or "abstract out" something which only then gets our selective attention. But in the initial moment, we experience (what we'll later call) the complex. But we experience it as a simple.
Gestalt? Right? 

Long before the time we're composing our thoughts here (around 1/1/2 yrs of age) we've mastered the task of seeing the whole and not fixate on the parts. 

So what if we can't (or can we?) really, truly, and exactly differentiate two voices singing at the same time? We bask in the harmony and yet are able to discern individuals all the time even when they seem to compete for our attention.

Take a good listen to Lakme's Duo des Fleurs and tell me you can't distinguish between Sabine Devieilhe (coloratura soprano) and Maienane Crebassa (mezzo-soprano) at the same time. I can.

The mind works so quickly so as to render the argument that it's impossible to hear both rather silly. That's splitting hairs to the point of red herring territory. 

There is a lag in time with everything we do and yet we still catch balls, drive cars and bikes and some can even juggle. It's all done so fast that it's a non issue.

All the best,
Nonoise


@nonoise @mahgister -- Agree on the immediacy of the whole. I avoided the word "gestalt" because that word implies the way a thing has been “placed” or “put together." I think we're all agreeing that this larger whole *starts out* as fundamentally simple.

I also see the OP's question as a live one, though. How do we take in that whole (whether a complex-simple or a simple-simple) consistently over time? Hard question.
What’s being presented in the video is not controversial. It’s just showing how knowledge about a product or sound influences opinion or messes with our senses. Audiophiles are not immune, they haven’t been " vaccinated " against bias.