Have you moved away from full range to standmount speakers + subs?


I want to know if you have been on a journey moving from a large full range speaker to a smaller one paired wit subs, maybe even four subs.


Maybe you moved away from the big speakers because you had too much bass or you got a better soundstage from the smaller speakers. Let me know what motivated you and if you think it’s better now.


My motivation for wanting to try smaller speakers.


I have the Tekton DI and until a month ago I was using a LM845P SET amp to drive them.

It only sounded good on simple jazz and vocals but on complex music everything was falling apart.

I am not playing loud but I think it was the low 2 ohm load in the midrange that made the LM break down.


I bought a used PS Audio BHK250 and pre and it was like getting new speakers. Never ever had it occurred to me that speaker and amp matching could have such a profound effect.


So I am enjoying my speakers now and listen to music I have avoided like the plague and enjoying it (:


But all of this got me thinking, what if I paired my LM845P with an easy to drive speaker and paired it with some subs?


Then the LM845 could do what it's best at, playing glorious midrange and the subs could play the bass.

So that's my motivation for trying smaller speakers.


I am also hoping that maybe I could get better and more even bass with 2 or 4 subs. Maybe a better soundstage because the small speakers have a very small baffle.

martin-andersen
Satellites and subs can work very well, they can also be a huge pita.

With a floor stander, a designer has created a type of basic, bass management circuitry in the cabinet. Most subs only have partial bass management capabilities, a very few will have complete bass management capabilities and none will have extensive bass management capabilities.

If I were to do a satellite plus sub system, (and I would) I would not put one together that did not have at least some type of complete bass management.
I am also hoping that maybe I could get better and more even bass with 2 or 4 subs.
 Multiple subs will absolutely give you smoother bass.
Sorry I missed this.  While I am an advocate of satellite/subs, the truth is less about multi-amping and amplifier power than it is about room integration.  
If you use a sub, it's easier to integrate a sub only EQ, place it correctly, etc.


good and extensive discussion here on this thread, with the usual range of perspectives being shared

i would add a few points, in general (noting that specifics always dictate, and can go against the generalities on occasion)

- smaller monitor type speakers with integrated subs usually do not produce the same soundscape as good larger speakers or floorstanders, reason being that properly integrated subs typically do not reach up into the middle bass frequencies, and it is those frequencies (and how they emanate from the speaker and interact with the room) that significantly help portray how ’full’ and ’large’ and ’effortlessly enveloping’ the music sounds

- as a corollary to the above point, floor standing speakers also provide an opportunity to couple the speakers’ upper and middle bass region output with the floor, something stand mounts do not do... this coupling is often important, again, in fleshing out the sound in room - this is related to, but imo, distinct from how true deep bass output from subs load’the listening room, giving one a sense of feeling as much as hearing the music

- while it is true that larger and floor standing speakers sometimes are just the same drivers from a smaller speaker mounted into a bigger cabinet, the larger volume of the enclosure can be transformative in how the speaker sounds in room, for all the reasons above -- while in other cases, the drivers are indeed different, and thus take advantage both of the larger cabinet volume, and the ability for different, larger drivers to move more air when needed

- given the above, i would personally agree, based on my own experience, that good larger speakers usually have a bigger sound, and more importantly, a more full, more dimensional, more fleshed out sound than ’equivalently good’ smaller speakers with subs -- with both playing at comfortable, unstressed volumes in each case -- (of course, it is too often seen that in sub/sat setups, the sats are overdriven, which leads to an extruded, artificial, stressed overall presentation)

- as an example of the above, i recently tried my beloved spendor sp1 speakers with a pair of rel subs, compared directly against the equally beloved sp100r2 speakers w/o subs (both are superb speakers with excellent driver and cabinet integration) - the sp1 is the iconic 2 cu ft bbc monitor with an 8 in bass driver, compared against the 12 in woofer (and dedicated midrange driver) of its sp100 big brother -- the 12 in woofer has 2.4x the surface area of its 8 in counterpart, and the sp100 has almost 2x the total cabinet volume of the sp1 -- the sound was indeed very very different in presentation... the sp1/rel setup was leaner through the midband and midbass, but with excellent, rock solid deep bass due to the subs... while the sp100’s sans subs was a little weaker in true deep bass, but much more full scale and utterly effortless and warm-bodied in its presentation -- now, bear in mind the sp1’s are actually pretty large ’standmount’ speakers, and i would venture to say that if you went to typically smaller ’satellite speakers’ (say totem 1’s, proac tablettes, buchardt s400, kef ls50s, etc etc) this vast difference in presentation would become even more stark...

all this said, smaller rooms are more suited for sat/sub setups, large/floorstanding speakers can often overload such rooms
@jjss49 --

Good insights. 

It seems to me though you're leaving out one scenario, namely that pairing the larger full-range speaker (in your case the Spendor SP100 R2's) with a pair of subs. Have you tried out that combination with the REL's of yours?

This is my own preference and actual speaker setup; large floor standing (semi-)full range main speakers coupled to a pair of large (20 cf. volume per cab) tapped horn subs. That's a total of four 15" drivers covering the range of roughly 85 to 600Hz, and two tapped horn-loaded 15" drivers (effectively adding up to the equivalence of four to five 15" drivers in air displacement area) reproducing ~20 to 85Hz. Whilst my main speakers are not full-range strictly speaking (35-40Hz is their lower, stand-alone limit) what matters is that four 15" (high efficiency) drivers are used in outlined region and what this means for the reproduction of this vital frequency spectrum. Important also is that they're high-passed below ~85Hz, meaning they are relieved of LF which cleans up their used range and adds further headroom. 

To my ears nothing beats large main speakers coupled to a pair of large subs. This combination alone leaves many variations to be explored though to fit many different needs and goals.