If a " system " cannot do this, I move on........


I have been advocating on here for some time, that horn speakers ( properly designed, tweeked, executed and set up ) are the only speakers that my brain and ears find acceptable, for the enjoyment of music listening. My listening standard has been live, unamplified music, for now over 50 years. I have also stated on many occasions, that as an audiophile ( as well as being a music listener ), that we are hindered by the recordings themselves, minimizing what we actually are hearing. There has been much talk lately about engineers using " auto tune " ( specifically with vocalists ). Adele ( I am a fan ), with her new hit " Easy On Me ", does not use auto tune, and I am thrilled. Besides being a great singer, she sounds " natural ", less processed. Most recordings in the past 20 years, have used this other electronic " equalization " if you will, that we find embedded in out prescious recordings. The strive for perfection, that " audio nirvana ", we all seek, with the purchase of a new speaker, amplifier, cables, etc., gets us only so far. So yes, dynamics and details are very important to me. Tone, coherence and spatiality are also very important. But the reality is, our recordings, by the time we receive / hear them ( whatever format ), have been severly altered from being close to the real thing. Yet, audiophiles continue to spend big bucks on their gear, their rooms ( their systems ), to get to that place of enjoyment. The title of this thread, " If a system cannot do this, I move on ", has a specific meaning. What I listen for, most of all, with every recording I listen to, is an engagenment between me, and the performers. Following the individual rhythms and musical lines, by the artists, is the number one factor I strive to hear. My system allows for this. My question is : how many of you actually listen for this, or even know what I am speaking of. My personal experience listening to so many high priced systems, has been very disappointing in using this criteria. I am not anticipating this thread to develop into a very large or popular one, but I have not participated in Agon for a while, and I just wanted to shine a light on a subject that is crucial to us and our time listening to music, which some of us spend much time doing. Enjoy, and be well. Always, MrD.

mrdecibel

My other speakers are Merlin VSM-MM, all Duelund VSF caps in BAM and crossover, Texas Component TX2575 z foil resistors, upgrades voltage regulators, blah, blah, blah. Totally different kind of speaker, anything but in your face quality, my Klipschorns no more in your face than the Merlins. The immediacy I'm talking about comes from partnering equipment as much as speakers. Been there with the in your face with my Klipschorns in stock form, metal horns anyone.

 

I understand horns not for everyone, but continuing blanket statements deserve wet blanket. Quality crossover parts and design  tractrix horns manufactured with quality materials such as birch ply, quality drivers,  along with sympathetic partnering equipment and room treatments  can bring wonderful presentation of performers into one's home.

I find most horns too forward even if smooth like Fleetwood deville 

a great example way over priced for a nice cabinet. smooth sound But after awhile I find the row 2-3 

perspective a bit stressful after awhile ,some people love it you can tame this with very good capacitors or resistors , which  they don't use ,and willnot even show the Xover, Klipsch have very good potential but they too use average at best parts 

quality ,which I have rebuilt many using top Vh audio, Jupiter, Millflex ,Clarity 

Duelund you get what you pay for, in Xovers.

I can only say not all horns created equal, so blanket statements not credible unless all have been heard in one's own system. Yes, they do have this overall gestalt, what I call immediacy, but in your face, not. This immediacy does require extreme attention paid to sound qualities such as timbre, tonality, otherwise in your face sound quality may dominate.

 

My solution has been diy to a large degree, only my bass bin remains as stock. Many others also have modified their Klipsch horns, plenty of vendors to choose from. which goes to show in stock form they leave something to be desired.

 

My only contention is horns are capable of NOT having all the liabilities some detractors claim ALL horns have. I'm sure plenty of modded Klpsch and perhaps non-modded Klipsch, and horns from other makers don't have the entirety of liabilities some claim them to have.

I have owned most every type of speaker and MBL true 

Omni directional  speakers and truth as a real instrument  🎻  sounds.

expensive yes but excellent ,even the smaller 126 stand mounts  with a sub 

Is a great performance.

I wish someone would "auto tune" the live DVD's recordings like Eagles @ Melhorne's Farewell Tour. Why that disc is used as everybodys demo I cant figure out... If that damn thing sounds so good WHY cant all the other later bands/studios come up ones just as good.. Cant believe they all fail .. Just don't get it