Ridiculous assertions that someone is being ripped off or conned


How many times has this scenario played out here? Someone purchases product X, and tries it in their system. They report positive results, that it works as advertised, that they got their money’s worth, that they are happy with the purchase. Then someone, usually having zero experience with the product, replies with something like: “No, you’ve got it all wrong! You’re being ripped off! You’re being conned!


Does anyone else understand how ridiculous and absurd these kinds of assertions are?! The consumer who actually put up their own money and took the time to evaluate the product in their own home/system reports it works as advertised, they are happy with it, that they got their money’s worth. Then someone else claims they were ripped off?!


Imagine an agency investigating consumer fraud getting a complaint like this: “My neighbor is being ripped off!” “No, no, he thinks it’s great, does everything he expected it to. He’s very happy with it, but I just know he’s being conned!” Do you seriously think they’re going to open any kind of investigation into it?


You can disagree with what someone says about the effectiveness of a product all you want, but to say they have been defrauded, when they report the exact opposite, is patently ridiculous.


tommylion

I wish i could had written your post, but i did not wrote it, and could not anyway to say it better than you....

 

There are two separate issues here. First, several of the comments conflate disrespectful and insulting comments with demands that personal observations be supported with scientific data and theory. There is never a reason to be rude in your response to a member's reported experience with a product, whatever you may think of that product. It's reasonable to ask for more information, but to deny the validity of the observation is unacceptable.

Second, many of the comments demanding evidence beyond that offered by the original post are based on fallacious understandings of the scientific enterprise. Underlying many of the comments from the naysayers is the assumption that only things that are well understood are valid scientifically. This simply is not true. Scientific inquiry often begins with anomalous observations, outcomes that are not understood. In these cases, the scientific enterprise is optimized when we strive to find the causal path that explains heretofore mystifying observations, not when we dismiss the observations as invalid. The tendency among the "technocrats" and "scientists" in these discussions to dismiss anomalous observations only serves to constrain scientific progress. Better to accept, evaluate  and dismiss after detailed analysis 10 faulty observations than to dismiss without consideration one valid observation. That is, our understanding progresses when we open our minds to possibilities we can't imagine, not when we dismiss out of hand observations of which we don't approve.

May the audio gods grace your ears.

@tommylion     

"do you think it's the only acceptable one, that all others are offensive and must be suppressed/censored/eliminated "    

No offense, but aren't the changes you wanted to institute, just that.    

 

 

Yes I see this before. I also see where small group guys get stiffie over products and fall in love like bunch of teen girls and nonstop defend product and tell people that don’t like it that it must not be broke in or have wrong cable or vibration not right etc. soon you find they all sell and forget about product like old hag getting rid handbag. These guy need attention to be right more than logical. Lot of idiot here because they sit on bottom all day.

^That^ is nicely done.

 

It’s pure psychology.

Suppose someone just shelled out $6000 for a 100 gram can of rhino horn powder because he has a firm belief in it’s aphrodisiac powers. He’ll be happy with the purchase.

Others, who never tried rhino horn powder themselves, may warn him he’s being scammed. And yes, he may think that annoying because he’s perfectly happy with his purchase. And maybe it even worked, that’s the power of our mind. And if it didn’t, he’ll probably never admit it ... he’ll still write raving reviews.

How bad is it that some rational thinking people doubt the use of rhino horn powder because it’s totally unclear if and how it works and it has never been scientifically proven?

I know, I know ... even if things can not be scientifically proven or can be measured, we still can hear differences in audio ’quality’.

Just thinking about the Rhino ’orn is doing the trick.

But Mrs say, "Go play with cable, leave me lone" 😘

I am astounded by the simplistic arguments...

Scammed or not being scammed...

 

How could you being not scam if you purchase gear and plug them in the wall thinking that all is good, looking at the price sheet and waiting for the next upgrade?

How could you be scam if you learn how to embed any piece of gear, with no costly "tweaks", but with a method of listenings experiments and low cost devices?

 

When all is well done upgrades become not superfluous but way less attractive...This is the SIGN of success...

 

 

Anything can be a scam or a useful piece, it is relative of what you will do with it...

There is no fine line separating COMPLETELY beautiful and ugly faces....

 

 I can change the sound of any room with a straw well located , is it a scam?

No, Helmholtz science ...