Dustcover Blues


Most of you probably know that I have always championed the use of dustcovers on turntables even during play, the goal being to protect the record from the environment and shield it from sound. For the first time in my audio career I have stumbled into a problem with this and other than not putting the dustcover down I have not come up with a solution. 

Yesterday I was playing Herbie Hancock's Secrets and I cranked it on my favotite song. After about 30 seconds the room started to rumble. My subs were putting out a remarkably clean 20 Hz as if I were playing a test tone. Feedback! Just turn the volume down a little and it disappears. Turn the volume back up and within 30 seconds it starts up again. Did I screw up my cartridge set up? I veiwed the tonearm during the feedback and it was rock solid. Usually with low frequency feedback you can see the tonearm shaking. I played the resonance tracks on an Ortofon test record and both lateral and vertical resonance were centered on 9 Hz With the feedback going and the house shaking I wanted a better look at the cantilever. On lifting the dustcover the feedback stopped!  The dust cover is attached to the plinth which is isolated from the sub chassis (tonearm and platter mounted on this) by four springs. The resonance frequency of this suspension is 2 Hz. Nothing above 2 Hz can pass directly through to the platter and tonearm. What is going on here? Any of you scientists out there have a clue? My best guess is that I am dealing with a type of Helmholtz resonation. The dust cover is lowered on four hard rubber pads, one at each corner. There is a 1/16" slot all the way around. This combined with the weight and dimensions of the dust cover creates a resonance at 20 Hz. To get it going I have to turn the volume way up. 

Today when I get home I'll play around with it to see if I can figure it out. Any ideas would be appreciated. 

128x128mijostyn

Dear @mijostyn  : I hope you don't pull the trigger on that kind of SG cartridge because make no sense to play LP recorded with the RIAA eq. curve through a dedicated phono stage with no inverse RIAA eq...

 

Just saying,

R.

I have the Soundsmith Strain Gauge, got one used about a month ago.  SG does not use RIAA or any kind of normal phono stage because it is not any kind of normal cartridge.

MM and MC both are generators that generate a voltage by moving. The faster they move the greater the voltage. SG does not work that way at all. What it does, the cantilever is connected to strain sensors that detect deflection. These are used to modulate a voltage coming in from the SG preamp. So the preamp generates the voltage, the cartridge modulates it (similar to the way a tube acts as a valve) and the resulting signal comes back into the preamp where it is amplified. 

Because of the way this works it requires no RIAA equalization. One of its many advantages over the conventional approach.

Overall it is a nice step up from Koetsu Black Goldline/Herron VTPH2A. With one exception, the low end is a bit weak in comparison. In terms of tracking though it is darn near seamless. Recordings that seemed to have hopelessly large amounts of sibilance now sound like the normal level of sibilance you would expect from a real live person. Percussion in particular is tracked exceptionally well. Listening to SG confirms Koetsu has a real talent for tailoring resonance. The Black Goldline may be entry level Koetsu but it truly is a wonderful cartridge. The SG on the other hand gives the distinct impression of listening to the master tape.

SG also has some nice features like auto-mute and a built-in 12Hz filter. Its main weakness would seem to be the power supply, which can be upgraded with SBooster, Farad, etc. 

@millercarbon , Correct MC, when the gauge is stressed it changes resistance which modulates the supplied voltage which is subtracted afterwards leaving only the signal. Messing with the power supply might not be a good thing. If the voltage subtracted is not exactly equal to the voltage added you will get a dc offset. If your amps go down to DC you could have fried woofer for dinner. If run through a preamp this might filter the DC out.

I do not think it is weak bass but rather exaggerated highs supposedly a hangover from the RIAA curve. Several reviews have noticed this. I can correct for it so it is no worry for me. Weak bass I won't tolerate. If I can't feel the bass drum beat that would kill it for me.

@rauliruegas , you did not make a suggestion for a phono stage or comment on the Lino C. I'll be taking 5 records I know very well down with me. I should be able to pick up any major problem depending on the system Mr Ledermann is using. I won't spend that kind of money if I am not completely comfortable with it. I am also very captivated by the transimpedance approach to amplifying a moving coil cartridge. The only problem is that it limits you to very low impedance cartridges. I have no problem with this as there are many excellent low impedance cartridges. I read uniformly good things about the MySonicLab cartridges then there is Lyra and Ortofon. The new Verismo looks very interesting. The My Sonic Ultra Eminant Ex with an impedance of 0.6 ohms is perfect for a transimpedance stage. 

Dear @mijostyn  : Years ago I listened the SS SG mounted in a Schroeder tonearm and in first rate room/system and there I had the opportunity to compare it against the Lyra Olympos and at least for me no contest against that Olympos set up.

 

Years ago too in the SS site was a link and the SG real curve and unfortunatelly SS decided to take out/off the site.

" The Italian article did a very good job of explaining to a general audience the difference between "velocity" devices and "displacement" devices.."

 

In a very hot dialogue where I posted PL him self posted:

 

" I have measured the SG in many arms, and recently in my Schroder Reference SQ, the new SG design (which you did not hear) it was +/- 1dB from 50 Hz to 12K in conformation with RIAA. ..."

 

That measure tell us a swing of 2db where our ears are more sensitive but the deviation from the RIAA below 50hz and over 12khz are even higher.

 

No problem with if what you listen like it.

 

Now, I understand you owned or listen to the Lino that could be better performer that your today phono stage.

I know very well the overall design of the Lino and other current mode phono stages and for personal reasons I'm not with the kind of overall designs/parts used to build those phono stages.

 

But that " preference "/captivated you have with and that you ""  exaggerated highs supposedly a hangover from the RIAA curve. Several reviews have noticed this. I can correct for it "" in the digital domain precludes my recomendation to you to really  arrive nearer to the recording and live MUSIC event.

My path/road is totally different from yours.

 

R.

 

 

Because of the way this works it requires no RIAA equalization. One of its many advantages over the conventional approach.

@mijostyn @millercarbon This statement is false. While it is true that the cartridge has an output that seems to complement the RIAA de-emphasis curve, from 500Hz to just above 2KHz (75uS) in the RIAA curve there is a bit where it flattens out. This causes an unequalized strain gauge device to be a little off. So they do need equalization to be correct but not nearly as much as a regular constant velocity device.

Its correct to say that it roughly approximates the needed de-emphasis.

Take a look at the RIAA curves- you'll see a 'zero' at 500Hz (318uS) (where the math says 'flat'- that's why its a 'zero' instead of a pole) and a pole above 2KHz (75uS) which re-introduces the slope. A strain gauge doesn't have that zero so what happens is it has the same slope across the band. This causes the highs to be and sound wrong. Its not glaring but if you know the recording its easy to hear.