@jssmith I do not think this thread was ever about the $1.49 sharpie…
I think it was more about segregation and not allowing an opposing view on the subject matter.
Yes, I know. It's a metaphor.
Adding a “safe haven” forum for discussion of tweaks?
I think we can all agree that threads about tweaks like fuses, stones, mats, power conditioners etc. stir up all kinds of controversy, conflict and ill will.
Short of banning discussion of these controversial topics, is there another solution to this problem?
I got this idea from teo_audio’s comments about a solution implemented at Canuck audio on another thread:
“Canuck audio tames it by having a cable and tweak area for threads. Where any counter to the idea that such things are functional (in attempt or in analysis), is not tolerated.
Meaning.. threads where people discuss tweaks, or mods or cables and so on, if a naysayer posts there, and interrupts the discussion, in any way, they get their posts deleted. And...if the given naysayer can’t hold their tongue, after said deletion-ish warnings..... they will, rapidly, via any repeats in behavior, find themselves banned from the forum. They have to grow up, or get lost.”
You may not like parts of his description, but I think the idea has real merit.
I propose a new “safe haven” sub-forum, with some special rules, for the discussion of tweaks. These rules would ONLY apply to this specific sub-forum, the current rules would continue as they are in all other areas.
The special rules would be along these lines:
Posts that categorically deny the possibility of tweaks having any effect or value are not allowed.
Posts proclaiming tweaks to be “scams” “cons” etc. are not allowed.
Posts that directly state, or imply, that another poster is lying, are not allowed.
Posts that make absolute negative statements like “Science proves it can’t work.” are not allowed.
Posts demanding measurements, controlled listening tests etc. are not allowed.
Posts that express skepticism (without making absolute negative statements), ask tough questions, or request more information are welcome.
Of course, some who hold the above opinions may object, but they would still be able to express those opinions in all other parts of the forum, just like they always have.
What do you think?
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Like i already said we speak of "tweaks" sometimes by ignorance about the method to implement an audio system in its rightfully controlled 3 working dimensions... A tribal isolation of audiophile using matters of interest to each one "in a safe haven " to separate them from each other differences will make this audiogon with no more appeal for many.... i dont come here to speak only about audio, my system is finished and i dont need to upgrade anyway, i come to speak with friends and to speak about the music i listen to... I also tried to create a thread about "seeing sound and music" which would be my thinking about acoustic in the philosophical sense, not tweaks about audio so much, but ideas and perceptions linked to sound and music vision...About acoustic feelings and acoustic perception...
I discovered why i was a bad musician , i lived all my life more used to perceive rythm and harmony than melody, with not much melodical memory but an increase power to perceive forms and dynamical shapes linked to block of chords more than to melodical line... My attention to music is related to spatialization by timing of some chords which appear isolated in my attention window like a geometrical form moving, a surface speaking to me like a human face...This explain why while many listened to beatles in 1964 i was myself immersed in ancient choral music to perceive these moving forms and speaking faces... That explain my difficulty to sing correctly...No musical "ears"...No melody memory so much but a way to make sound visible to my internal "eye"...Probably it is the reason i dreamed to own a high end audio system for all my life...I succeed only very recently with no money invested... My goal now is to create a philosophical adventure on this acoustical road and reformulate all philosophical history through multiple "tags" which punctuated our notion of what a sound and what a musical sound means in the last 2 millenia...and why? Each tag would be also a revelation of the conscious soul history through the way evolve his sound attention and perception....
Sound is feeling and meaning in one..... Meaning is too vast notion to be only a sign, the new philosophy is related to the POLARITY of meaning and sign...Meaning generate sign and die in sign... The new phisosophy will be a Goethean semiotic not a Peircean one... Peirce war ferociously against nominalism all his life without knowing that his conception reducing meaning to sign was an ultimate nominalist residual attempt and stance ...Goethe semiotic by contrast is non nominalist... Because the morphogenesis of sound event is related to a perceived polarity and a genetical insecable polarity which resonate with our internal polarities ...Object and subject BECOME and DIE together... the environment is part of your body and your body part of the environment... There is no way to STAY external observer.... Friston called these polarities "Markov maps" using the theory of a great Russian mathematician... Karl Friston is my new mentor toward a complete new revolution in science...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIu_dJGyIQI&list=PLnQJF3Qi_4_CGFyisehOpLvbpDhdIe_ld&index=169&t=95s |
@tsushima1 you will never get your safe space and there will always be challenges to voodoo sciences. Ehhhhh … WTF are you going on about !
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"I discovered why i was a bad musician , i lived all my life more used to perceive rythm and harmony than melody, with not much melodical memory but an increase power to perceive forms and dynamical shapes linked to block of chords more than to melodical line... My attention to music is related to spatialization by timing of some chords which appear isolated in my attention window like a geometrical form moving, a surface speaking to me like a human face...This explain why while many listened to beatles in 1964 i was myself immersed in ancient choral music to perceive these moving forms and speaking faces..."
The money is in the melodies! At least in the so-called Popular music.
I’ve always regarded myself as a terrible musician, but this I put down to poor musical memory. Oh how that middle C would drift in my memory...!
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@mahgister I don't get why you would constantly keep wanting to get interrupted by rude, disrespectful, belittling, sarcastic, caustic, know it all blowhards. If you are addicted to debating people that couldn't care less about what you have to say, I can somewhat understand that, but even then...all the energy wasted on people that don't really have anything important to the conversation seems like a tremendous waste of time. I would happily reorganize this forum and society as a whole into groups of people that segregate themselves and live peacefully, independently, and away from each other. |
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