Soundstage depth how to improve? Shootout


Yes, soundstage depth behind the speakers, how can we improve this, and what equipment is most important for this?

Deeper speakers have more sound depth?

Toe-in speakers makes it worse?

Has tube quality something to do with it?

Cables not, that is a fact!

Combination/match preamp/amp?

Distance speakers from backwall have impact, that is also a fact!

Before I had a unison research sinfonia integrated(2×ecc82+2×ecc83 +4×6550) and the depth was much better, the depth behind the speakers was about 6 to 8 foot behind the speakers by estimate.

Now I have a Coincident statement line stage mk2(2×101D) with triode corporation trx-m300(2×310A+1×274B+1×300B’s) amps, and it is maybe half that??

The difference is almost 20k$.

Shoot me, I don’t know....

Speakers: living voice obx-rw2

Digi: bryston bda2 + bdp2

 

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Your setup similar to me, I also have Coincident Statement MKII and custom build 300B monoblocks, extreme modded Klipschorn. My ss pretty much like yours, most recordings  balance of sound just behind front baffle of speaker. But this sounds extremely natural to me, plenty of image dimensionality and image layering, images just closer to me than I've heard in some systems. Klipshcorns and required placement certainly have something to do with this.

 

I also have Coincident 845, had Prima Luna Dialogue Four, have used Denafrips Hyperion, Musical Fidelity M2si with Klipschorns. Also have Merlin VSM-MM, again with extreme mods, used these with two different 845 SET. Also Joule Electra LA100MkIII, Schitt Saga+ pres, and finally dac direct with number of dacs. In all cases my ss has been centered just behind front baffles of both speakers. This would suggest my room and room treatments dictating ss to large effect vs. equipment.

 

With Merlins I could manipulate ss depth to larger extent, I used room treatments, toe in, speaker placement. Ultimately, I prefer more forward, ss,  I've had previous systems where ss more recessed, just didn't have the immediacy and extension into room I prefer. I've even gone to using various room treatments with intent to extend ss into room, I go for sound immersion.

 

SS placement doesn't matter that much to me as long as I have image dimensionality, images are what supplies the depth. I prefer the performers closer to me.

 

It also may be true DHT and SET  have inherently more forward SS, I've heard this mentioned by others. Certainly part of what I hear as immediacy in these tubes.