First point : it is easy to know if you have risks or not because of your medical history then deciding to vaccinate all because you say we dont know our own risk is ridiculous...
Second point: there exist many low cost treatment that where CRIMINALLY banned for those who dont need to be vaccinated..
Third point: the mortality rate is slightly around one %...
Four point: The sane epidemiological politic is evident even for someone with a brain and without medical experience... Instead of shutting down economies and killing people, and erasing freedom, the sane politic was treatment with very efficient low cost drug that already exist but were criminally BANNED... And vaccination of at risk people ONLY...
If they are unvaccinated patient in the hospitals it is also because all preventive treatment again severe consequences of the virus were BANNED... Think about that...
For example it is SCIETIFICALLY proved that all people gravely ill are vitamin D deficient...And anyway ask israely hospitals about vaccines efficiency...the vaccines dont make a great difference at all...
Five point : The risk of "negatives outcome from covid exceed the risk of the vaccines" is completely false... NOBODY knows the long term effect of the vaccine on all the population in the long term... And autopsies of people dead with vaccines are VERY ALARMING... But nothing of this is in the TV set ... Close you TV... And dont forgot the deaths associated with the insane shutdown of economies...It is proven that is it equal to covid deaths worlwide guess why?
Six point : I dont listen Joe Rogan but his guests... i listened his 2 guests for 6 hours which are top scientist who spoke for Thousand of other doctors, the quack doctor here is Dr Fauci my friend...and i dont know but calling quack doctors these one :
Calling Nobel Prize winer of medecine Luc Montagnier a quack?
Calling Michael Yeadon Vice president of Pfizer top research scientist a quack ?
Calling Robert Malone the only one who own first patent on mRna vaccines a quack?
Calling Dr McCullough one of the greated specialist of covid tretment and one of the greatest cardiologistby citationsin the world a quack?
Calling Gert Van den Bossche who worked for Bill Gates one of his top scientist on vaccines a quack?
Before calling someone a quack INFORM YOURSELF...
The list of serious experts on my side is too long to be put here... Wo is the quack Fauci the liar or them ?
Seven point: how hypocrital and egoistical to say that vaccines are not enforced but mandate and we are free...How about loosing his job and salary if you are in institution who mandate them ?
Point Eight : This insane mass vaccination of all people also exert on the virus population a force that make it mutate more rapidly and with more risk to create very bad mutations... But this matter is too complex for people who do not understand even simple fact...
last point in the fever of a discussion we exhange hot words but i want to say that i do no think ill about you and i tank you for your wishes... I am passionate but i love everybody...
@mahgister - glad you are feeling OK. The problem with your logic is that many people are not aware they have comorbidity. Also, this affects overweight people disproportionately, something the media should be emphasizing (and living a healthier lifestyle), but somehow that is politically incorrect and I am sure some of these people do not think of themselves as overweight.
I wouldn’t say the number of people badly affected is very small. It is in the millions. Very few of those are vaccinated, almost all of them have comorbidity. The hospitals (I spoke with a doctor the other day) are overwhelmed by unvaccinated patients because of omicron. Even though it is less virulent, the sheer number of people that caught it make even a very small number of those people needing significant medical attention too high for hospitals to handle their normal business.
I am not saying not to treat the unvaccinated, but to give other patients that were vaccinated or in there for other urgent problems priority.
The risk of negative outcomes for covid dwarfs the risk of the vaccine. It should be discussed with the patient’s personal doctor. They will not mandate (at least mine wouldn’t ever), they will recommend a course of action (I take my doctor’s advice and many times he asks me what I think and we decide together). If they think you will have no adverse reaction, I don’t envision any doctor except for quacks and complete outliers from the medical profession not recommending the vaccine. I am not talking about listening to corrupt politicians, government agencies or Joe Rogan or one of his guests (like Aaron Rogers did and then lied about it), YOUR DOCTOR.