Limited soundstage between speakers

Mahgister, What a rude post!

Who really knows what you hear in your room besides yourself and I fail to see anything in soix’s post that comments on you or your subjective beliefs. Some of what you have set forth in this thread and some others I’ve read makes good sense, but much of what you have said is so lacking in specifics as to make your post(s) incomprehensible. Clearly what soix has said is correct. You should research this subject more carefully and not just rely on your empirical conclusions and fire off such a self aggrandizing post.

For experimental sake just move your listening chair forward until you get the soundstage you are looking for. From that position optimize your speakers forward and back from the front wall. As the speaker move forward the stage should improve but at the expense of bass. Now move back and do the same thing again except move the speakers wider. You’ll finally get to a point that you start to lose the sound stage by just optimizing the placement in your room.

After you’ve reached the best it can be in your room you can start with acoustic enhancements. Simple things like throwing a blanket over your flat screen makes a difference after you’ve optimized the room. There are lots of articles on the interweb about how to determine room interaction but for me without optimization it's hard to determine what acoustic enhancements are actually doing. 

Both my ¢s so take it for what it’s worth

+1 sonic79

99.9% of music should appear between or at the speaker.  That's just physics.  There could be room reflections causing the appearance of sounds outside the speakers but that would be unfortunate.  As mentioned, using out of phase recordings can cause a sound to appear outside the speaker span. 

Roger Waters amused to death has a few such recordings.  Try listening to that ans you should hear some sounds outside the span of the speakers. 

Jerry

99.9% of music should appear between or at the speaker.  That's just physics.  There could be room reflections causing the appearance of sounds outside the speakers but that would be unfortunate.  As mentioned, using out of phase recordings can cause a sound to appear outside the speaker span. 

Amazing that physics is not the same in 2 rooms....or perhaps physical acoustic is one thing and psycho-acoustic is another field you must consider to exist....

The timing of reflections is one of the acoustic factors with which the Ears/Brain translated sound impressions INTO standing objects located in space in the room...The distribution of the different pressure zones is another one...

The correlation between the direct TWO distinct wavefronts coming from each speaker for EACH TWO ears with a time delay and the back and lateral reflections frontwaves timing is what i used to create in my room the intimate headphone effect of a sound out of my head but incorporating me in the soundscape...(i use Helmhotz diffusers and resonators,ionizers,Schuman generators grid, and a double screen panels with many acoustic devices on it to reflect , absorb or diffuse sound in some balance....

Perhaps you must add psycho-acoustic to physical acoustic in your scientific reading agenda...

Sound waves are not ONLY "rays" coming apart from one another on or from the walls , they are also different zone pressures competing with each others.... The dynamic geography of these pressuures zones and the tiiming of reflections in this geography, determined what i listen to and interpret to be a musical instrument standing at my left or right, OUTSIDE of the speakers vertical plane location...In my room at least.... 😁😊

It is not a mere distortion, a trick coming from out of phase speakers that explain the soundscape appareance, which is NOT an illusion by the way , but a phenomenon emerging from the way the ears/brain read and interpret the speakers/room relation through the recorded information transformed in the waves of sound and ALSO the way the ears/brain read and interpret the recorded acoustic relation of the musical event play back through the room /speakers relation ....it is a double interactive acoustic event: the acoustic of the recorded album with the acoustic of your room .....

The best way for your room to disapear and let the musical playback be optimal is after being put UNDER acoustic control...If not, the recorded event will not be acoustically optimal and will stay a 2-D not differentiated object between the speakers and not a multiplicity of 3-D standing objects or musical instruments around you outside the speakers in most well recorded modern album....

The depth of the sound is not only described as imaging and soundstage in acoustic but also in the " listener envelopment " factor....

99.9% of music should appear between or at the speaker. That’s just physics.