Any good video sites out there?
So, my post about the clickbait nature of some youtube video sites was removed.
I was not trolling. I was not baiting.
Let's think about this for a moment. This is a hobby that pays attention to reviews. They drive sales, conversations, and how we perceive audio itself.
Therefore, it's relevant to an audio hobbyist site to discuss the kinds of reviews out there. A good, informative review can guide members toward new ways of evaluating audio and help them make more informed decisions. On the other hand, review sites which are inaccurate or even just hyperbolic in their reviews or in their titles also have an impact on how seriously we can take that site. In the case of YouTube, some members here think that it is YouTube itself that is at fault.
So, this is a valid topic for an audio forum. I went to a site -- which shall remain nameless because critique is not allowed, I guess -- which is consistently saying that the latest review is the "best ever" or "the most ultimate XYZ ever" etc. This is the kind of hyperbole which, I am arguing, has a negative effect on other, less manic sites -- which I will not name, either -- the ones not trying to work the algorithms to garner clicks.
The post I made was a claim with evidence -- evidence supporting the claim that there was a hyperbolic quality to the site. That's all I did.
And then my post was taken down.
Let's analyze what has just happened.
Violating post policies means posting "prohibited content."
The rules are as follows:
You will not submit content that is copyrighted or subject to third party proprietary rights, including privacy, publicity, trade secret, etc., unless you are the owner of such rights or have the appropriate permission from their rightful owner to specifically submit such content.
You will not post information that is malicious, false or inaccurate.
You will not post content that is sexually expicit.
You will not post content that is abusive or defames another member of The Service.
Those of you who read my post will realize that I did none of these things. What I did was call attention to a youtube site that -- I am claiming, with evidence -- tends toward hyperbole in their titles.
If this post gets taken down, then I think only one conclusion can be drawn about what has happened to "moderation" here.
@rsf507 Thanks. I try to be polite but that doesn't mean I have to only compliment things. No pain, no gain, as the weightlifters say. Sometimes the people we think are big and thick skinned are the first ones calling the hall monitor. That said, I don't actually know who called the hall monitor. |
Your summary of the rules is incomplete. You might want to check A’gons Terms of Use, which include: "Audiogon is a business site; all members are responsible for maintaining a professional and cordial demeanor on and off the site including our forums. We will not tolerate the use of hostile, offensive, profane or vulgar language ... All Audiogon members are expected to conduct themselves in an honest and civil manner. Members are allowed to contact each other through our site, and agree to communicate in a mature and polite manner." |
This is a standard procedure where double standards exist. It happens all the time. Fact checkers often use intellectual acrobatics with the language to disqualify a story. Happens all the time. this time your ox got gored. Ox’s get gored every day. But it really hits home when its your ox. That’s the way it is with most people. It’s not that they haven’t seen other’s oxen gored. its that they didn’t feel any pain or not enough to care. But don’t worry. truth is a stubborn thing and has a way of emerging again, kinda like the Delaware Laptop from Hell owned by the child of a prominent politician. It too was taken down when it was first posted by the NY Post |
@cleeds Yeah, I read those. I'm not seeing how I'm in violation at all. @artemus_5 I hear you. My point was not just that my ox got gored -- though, you're right, it DOES sting more -- but that I raised a topic worthy of debate for this community of hobbyists. If I can take one thing away from @cleeds point, it's that "this is a business site." I suppose that criticism of businesses -- which the YouTube channel is one, clearly -- is not tolerated. This seems short-sighted because businesses get better with competition, don't they? |
