Why should audiophile deniers be allowed on an audiophile forum?


Why should we be subjected to audiophile deniers, on a site dedicated to audio?
It’s antithetical to the hobby and adds nothing to the pursuit. I want to quote something from another thread.

@djones51 wrote "exposing bull products like "audiophile switches, cables, fuses " and other highly questionable devices that serve no purpose"

What then, is the purpose of people with this agenda being on this site? To “expose bull products.” It’s fine for someone to post they tried a product and it didn’t work for them, but to dismiss entire product categories is not a discussion that belongs on an enthusiast forum.

Would a car enthusiast site stand for this type of post?

Try going on a Porsche forum, just for example, and posting that your Mustang is just as fast 0-60 and that others poster’s claims about their driving experience is “dubious.” See how long that will be tolerated

There are plenty of sites to poke fun at audiophile’s obsession with cables, power conditioners etc. Why does it belong here, especially when we can’t mute specific posters?

What’s next? Arguing that speakers that measure the same must sound the same and that we are all suckers for buying expensive speakers? I thought we got rid of trolling?

Isn’t it obvious with all the ASR related posts here lately we are being trolled?

A couple of months back I read a post here about someone that ordered a new cat8 cable from China. I tried it and posted back my fantastic results for others to benefit.

Personally that’s the kind of forum I’m interested in, not to come here to be challenged about what I hear and that since it can’t be measured so it must be “dubious.”

 

 

 

 

 

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A cooking forum is way more in a thin focus about world matter than an audiophile forum...

Here we speak about commercial, geopolitical, philosophical, scientific , and many others matter IMPLICATED in the business and in the hobby...

No cooking forum debate about inflated price of wheat...

Look at the vast varieties of audio threads and their opening question...

Then i agree with the politeness and constructive part,but it is impossible for all to agree on all matters RELATED to audio...

Try to make a list of matters related to audio... good luck, you will review all matters who exist even zoology...For example the different reactions of animals to sound and music...Even mathematics are related to audio by acoustic and digitral Fourier analysis...What a bat can hear? and what is listening is a neurology problem also...

Then will you ban some mathematician contesting the use of Fourier analysis in the definition of what a sound is?

Will you ban someone who discuss geopolitic and postal fees and all problems linked to world wide audio industry?

 I think we must BAN NO ONE....

It seems the fashion in Canada and in America now is to BAN everything we dont like...

Difficult and insane job...By insane people sorry....

 

 

 

The issue is not "denial" or even "affirmation" -- it's claims without evidence or reasoning.

That's why calls for "free speech" are really misplaced. They're like asking mom and dad to settle a fight that the kids should settle themselves.

The issue the OP described is not something to adjudicate with rules but with shared norms. The best way for a group to reprimand baseless claims -- affirming or denying -- is to push back, counter-argue, shame, or ignore. Not call for rules from above. Because after all, all a conversation really has are the norms it creates for itself.

An audio forum is "sandlot baseball."

So: push back, counter-argue, shame, or ignore

Some purists here just don't seem to get it. This is not a book one can choose not to read and lay down (or toss in the garbage). This type of venue relies on good intentions and honesty, above all else. All of this is done remotely so all the pontificating on what transpires in a public (not virtual) space really can't be applied here, so we rely on people behaving civilly. 

When they fail to behave civilly and refuse to stay on topic, we are now stuck with them and they know it. Remote as we are, we're all part of a larger, captive audience and it seems that some take great joy in disrupting, so what I said above still applies. That freeway and lake are beckoning...heed their siren call.

All the best,
Nonoise

people get to come here, say what they want - if it is out of line, mods may intervene, or other users can call b-s, as it is also their right to do so

The cooking forum was just an example, it doesn't matter what topic.  The bottom line is having a mature, respectful atmosphere.  Of course people aren't going to agree on everything but there will be somethings...that isn't the issue here.  The issue is how people interact with one another.