Why should audiophile deniers be allowed on an audiophile forum?

I am ok hilde45 with what you just said because the only common norm i see is politeness and logical arguments...

We cannot like someone else just said define rigousrously the topic of many thread in advance to be PURE AUDIO MATTER, if we want so it will be necessary to arbitrarily condemn some thread questions... i dont like that... I prefer some chaos to the lost of freedom...

Anyway what means staying on pure audio matter? 😁😊

For example: the discussion we have right now seems civil to me in this thread...And it is not pure audio matter at all...

To be frank i love too much people here to enjoy ONLY PURE AUDIO MATTER subject...

Anyway i know what the important matter in audio better than most: acoustic/psycho-acoustic...

I joke here for sure,

but i am also serious... Who is perfect? Not me... 😁😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

Please dont ban me...

Thanks....

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Friends, we are getting far afield from the original post which was about people who's seeming agenda is to be disruptive rather than helpful to the group. Yes, individual rights are important. We should be allowed to criticize. But criticism of something you have NO experience is invalid. It becomes even more invalid when you imply that someone is a liar, based solely of some idea you have without any experience with that item or others based on the same principle of operation. Then it becomes more ridiculous when you imply that science backs up your assertion,  all the while not having done one second of observation yourself.  The same applies when you base an opinion on scientific inquiry which has never addressed the validity of said product. But it gets even more ridiculous when the skeptic is backed into a corner where science cannot rescue him/her who then says that science is ever changing. Well duh! You cannot have it both ways. But they try because its not about finding truth. Its about submission to their rigid rules  Scientism where they have deemed truth to align with their thinking only. Then they call on free speech when they are called out as if they do NOT attempt to shut down every opinion which they disagree with.!!

So the problem again comes down to who's ox is being gored. This is where the double standard comes in.  Many will willfully gore someone's ox because they disagree with the owner of the ox who like the color of his ox. . Yet they often cry the loudest when their ox gets gored by the other in  a defensive move. Kinda like they are crying due to the OP.

Free speech CANNOT be sustained where double standards become the norm. We see this in our society at large and of course that has spilled over into everyday life. This is the offense which the OP, myself and others are pointing to. Its NOT the Opinion which needs to be silenced. It’s the childish double standard in which the opinion is expressed.  A child may be broken of such offensive mannerisms and taught better.  But it is reprehensible coming from grown people. And the offense is further exacerbated when those who are offensive, try to justify their treachery and act as if they are the victim, when in fact, they are the aggressor.. So again, Share your opinion, but do so without being offensive
FWIW I don’t need to agree with someone to respect them. If you teach me something you have helped me. That is a friendly move. But when you slander me and call me a liar, when you have no proof  is far from being helpful to anyone. And is against forum rules.

Sorry but personaly i welcome the " measuring gear fetichists" and their accusations of being wrong, biased, and credulous... 😁😊

If someone accuse me of lying i am a grown adult i dont want rules for protecting me... I can answer to someone...

Politeness must be respected for sure...

i dont like group closed on themselves anyway...

Thats all...

^---- This.  "FWIW I don’t need to agree with someone to respect them. If you teach me something you have helped me. That is a friendly move. But when you slander me and call me a liar, when you have no proof  is far from being helpful to anyone. And is against forum rules."

Gotta love it when people put words in your mouth and go on to elaborate on a lie. Something tells me they've faced complaints of them in other venues (and in real life) and they've gotten good at not dealing directly but going off on tangents with their filibusters. They used to call it blinding one with BS.

All the best,
Nonoise