Why should audiophile deniers be allowed on an audiophile forum?


Why should we be subjected to audiophile deniers, on a site dedicated to audio?
It’s antithetical to the hobby and adds nothing to the pursuit. I want to quote something from another thread.

@djones51 wrote "exposing bull products like "audiophile switches, cables, fuses " and other highly questionable devices that serve no purpose"

What then, is the purpose of people with this agenda being on this site? To “expose bull products.” It’s fine for someone to post they tried a product and it didn’t work for them, but to dismiss entire product categories is not a discussion that belongs on an enthusiast forum.

Would a car enthusiast site stand for this type of post?

Try going on a Porsche forum, just for example, and posting that your Mustang is just as fast 0-60 and that others poster’s claims about their driving experience is “dubious.” See how long that will be tolerated

There are plenty of sites to poke fun at audiophile’s obsession with cables, power conditioners etc. Why does it belong here, especially when we can’t mute specific posters?

What’s next? Arguing that speakers that measure the same must sound the same and that we are all suckers for buying expensive speakers? I thought we got rid of trolling?

Isn’t it obvious with all the ASR related posts here lately we are being trolled?

A couple of months back I read a post here about someone that ordered a new cat8 cable from China. I tried it and posted back my fantastic results for others to benefit.

Personally that’s the kind of forum I’m interested in, not to come here to be challenged about what I hear and that since it can’t be measured so it must be “dubious.”

 

 

 

 

 

emailists

After reading all the mostly thoughtful responses, I'll say that this is clearly my problem, my issue of not wanting to spend time reading, engaging with or defending against "debunking" what in my mind are basic principles/building blocks of high end audio.  

For others on a different part of their journey, maybe it's a useful endeavor and represents what Audiogon is about in 2022.

I've been a member here for 15 years, and try to learn and contribute what I can,  and on rare occasions point out what topics and kind of posts demotivate me from participating.

One way to help it all move into some level of potential for perspective, is to understand the most fundamental point in all thing in all ways, is... differential.

The beginning is differential. There truly isn’t anything other than differential.

Existence can only 'be', in the shape and presence of - differential.

Apparently we’ve got a bit too much of it right now.

The so-called objectivists are not completely non-guilty.  They have their own religion that they follow too: It's called Belden cable.  

@emailists

Yeah. I find the clueless folks annoying. When I can, I really like to try to help and encourage folks new to the pursuit. But the noise of those that can’t hear elementary sonic differences or like to deny the basics of high end audio distract from communication and encouragement, particularly those that are new to the pursuit. I honestly don’t know what to do about it. I try to ignore.

But there are options. Audio Aficionado is a high end audio forum. No aggressive behavior is tolerated… and all the folks have very high end systems. So, absolutely no one would question the efficacy of high end cables, for instance, everyone has gone through learning all the basics. Of course there are not many newbies and not nearly the traffic as here.

I like many of the questions because it makes me think about what I know about something I may never have really thought through and realize how to abstract it to something I have learned.

@jerryg123 

You're the same no matter what name you've posted under. Your past incarnations (user names) were full blown Trumpists. 

All the best,
Nonoise