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Why should audiophile deniers be allowed on an audiophile forum?

Why should we be subjected to audiophile deniers, on a site dedicated to audio?
It’s antithetical to the hobby and adds nothing to the pursuit. I want to quote something from another thread.

@djones51 wrote "exposing bull products like "audiophile switches, cables, fuses " and other highly questionable devices that serve no purpose"

What then, is the purpose of people with this agenda being on this site? To “expose bull products.” It’s fine for someone to post they tried a product and it didn’t work for them, but to dismiss entire product categories is not a discussion that belongs on an enthusiast forum.

Would a car enthusiast site stand for this type of post?

Try going on a Porsche forum, just for example, and posting that your Mustang is just as fast 0-60 and that others poster’s claims about their driving experience is “dubious.” See how long that will be tolerated

There are plenty of sites to poke fun at audiophile’s obsession with cables, power conditioners etc. Why does it belong here, especially when we can’t mute specific posters?

What’s next? Arguing that speakers that measure the same must sound the same and that we are all suckers for buying expensive speakers? I thought we got rid of trolling?

Isn’t it obvious with all the ASR related posts here lately we are being trolled?

A couple of months back I read a post here about someone that ordered a new cat8 cable from China. I tried it and posted back my fantastic results for others to benefit.

Personally that’s the kind of forum I’m interested in, not to come here to be challenged about what I hear and that since it can’t be measured so it must be “dubious.”

 

 

 

 

 

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secretguy
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LOL This stupid thread is still going??? Go play outside, children.

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prof
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Hadn't seen this thread before but:

The answer to the OP is:  because it's not all about you.

In other words, you don't have the right to define what an "audiophile" is and constrict the hobby to an attitude similar to your own.   That's the type of solipsistic

view one often sees in audio forums, where some portion simply presume, for instance, that "the ONLY way to truly evaluate the claim of any audio gear is by personally listening to the gear."  And that therefore an other person in to audio who may differ from that view is "Not An Audiophile."  They are "Intruders!"  And if they happen to be skeptical of a claim, simply stating this opinion amounts to "muckraking and trolling."

No.  Not every audiophile has exactly the same beliefs or approach to audio.

An audiophile who owns a nice system but who, for instance, is skeptical of claims about $1,000 Ethernet cables, is just as much an audiophile, and has just as much right to express that opinion as the one who goes on about how transformative that cable was in his system.

So the advice is:  Stop making it all about you.  Don't assume your approach is the only approach and that alternative opinions disbar someone from the hobby or participating in public forums about audio gear.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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thyname
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The professor has spoken. Please mark this answer as the solution to this thread. It has now ran its course and should be locked for no further comments.

emailists OP
923 posts
 

After being off the forum for a number of days recovering from Covid, it’s pretty shocking to see what’s become of the thread/site. Someone made a Nazi comment about me. The thread has once again become a political landmine, missing my original point. I realize now I should have used the word “debunkers” in the title. That’s what I was objecting to, the wholesale dismissal of basic principles, some even measurable products (Icononoclast cables come with each measured). It seems many, even some touting their level of education, failed to grasp the context of my issue. I come to audio sites for value added discussions, to increase my knowledge base, share my decades of experience and get new ideas about how to make my system better.

I assume most others do as well. If people feel debunkers add to their knowledge base, so be it. They don’t add to mine, like the many nonsense threads of banned posters we had to endure in past years. But in the same way people get the leadership they deserve, I suppose people get the audio forums they deserve.

 

 

 

 

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