Why should audiophile deniers be allowed on an audiophile forum?


Why should we be subjected to audiophile deniers, on a site dedicated to audio?
It’s antithetical to the hobby and adds nothing to the pursuit. I want to quote something from another thread.

@djones51 wrote "exposing bull products like "audiophile switches, cables, fuses " and other highly questionable devices that serve no purpose"

What then, is the purpose of people with this agenda being on this site? To “expose bull products.” It’s fine for someone to post they tried a product and it didn’t work for them, but to dismiss entire product categories is not a discussion that belongs on an enthusiast forum.

Would a car enthusiast site stand for this type of post?

Try going on a Porsche forum, just for example, and posting that your Mustang is just as fast 0-60 and that others poster’s claims about their driving experience is “dubious.” See how long that will be tolerated

There are plenty of sites to poke fun at audiophile’s obsession with cables, power conditioners etc. Why does it belong here, especially when we can’t mute specific posters?

What’s next? Arguing that speakers that measure the same must sound the same and that we are all suckers for buying expensive speakers? I thought we got rid of trolling?

Isn’t it obvious with all the ASR related posts here lately we are being trolled?

A couple of months back I read a post here about someone that ordered a new cat8 cable from China. I tried it and posted back my fantastic results for others to benefit.

Personally that’s the kind of forum I’m interested in, not to come here to be challenged about what I hear and that since it can’t be measured so it must be “dubious.”

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks kevn,

Very good article everyone here must read...

It describe well the effect of the internet web on society and why we must understand what is at stake and no more only raging around the old political factions or tribes...

A more participating democratic process is the key....

What is lacking from the article though is the blindspot of the author about what moves society...

Labelling conspiracy theorists ALL people who search for truth is easy to do, but this hide the POSITIVE result behind this rising internet Babel Tower, it is also the internet Infinite Library or the Alexandria modern twin institution , a higher consciousness potentially given to a critical mass of people...

Babel yes but on the other side of this coin Alexandria library too...

Not only the internet has shattered the ancient clear division between private life and public life, this separation being the corner stone of democracy, and replacing it by social scapegoating and tribes warrings in a virtual space where there is no more private and public separation at all, but on a brighter side internet or the Alexandria library made possible a search engine diagonalizing the labyritnth flying us over it, making us able to access all informations about who pull the strings, who create war and who benefit from it , whose UNELECTED power want to be OVER all countries law to control in case of pandemic and  erase the  freedom of each country to mobilize his citizens for theor own original solutions instead of imposing a UNIQUE one to the world......

There is not only Qanon and fools who read signs everywhere confirming their paranoiac investigation in conspiracies, there is also those who search for truth with no labels and who cannot be duped anymore by what is behind the crumbling institutions...The instituions are crumblings why? Because they are manipulated non democratically behind the screen and not only assaulted by scapegoating mobs coming from twitter dissolving all past social institutions  like claim the author...

Then i am optimist, the article author is not so much optimist , because he does not see the rise in the consciousness of an essential minority... The majority become stupidest for sure but nor all become more stupid...

Then the internet is  Babel yes but  the internet is Alexandria library  too ...

It is up to us to choose...

It take a very small number of apes to change the entire behaviour of the group...

 

I anticipate more chaos before a transformation by consciousness rising....

No more people will be blinded now by warmonging , and hidden financials corporate powers and banks power but less and less ....Globalist control is VISIBLE to all eyes which want to be open...And nations may rediscovered their roots and begin a dialogue in respect for all others...

Then a new democratic participation is possible and a new dialogue between Nations is possible after this chaos... It will be coming when the threshold of awakened people will be there...

5 % or 10 % ?

i dont know....

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hadn't seen this thread before but:

The answer to the OP is:  because it's not all about you.

In other words, you don't have the right to define what an "audiophile" is and constrict the hobby to an attitude similar to your own.   That's the type of solipsistic

view one often sees in audio forums, where some portion simply presume, for instance, that "the ONLY way to truly evaluate the claim of any audio gear is by personally listening to the gear."  And that therefore an other person in to audio who may differ from that view is "Not An Audiophile."  They are "Intruders!"  And if they happen to be skeptical of a claim, simply stating this opinion amounts to "muckraking and trolling."

No.  Not every audiophile has exactly the same beliefs or approach to audio.

An audiophile who owns a nice system but who, for instance, is skeptical of claims about $1,000 Ethernet cables, is just as much an audiophile, and has just as much right to express that opinion as the one who goes on about how transformative that cable was in his system.

So the advice is:  Stop making it all about you.  Don't assume your approach is the only approach and that alternative opinions disbar someone from the hobby or participating in public forums about audio gear.