This cable game is making my head spin


Hello all

I'll start by listing my system for reference.

Pioneer PLX-1000 turntable w/ Ortofon 2M Black cart.

Tokyo Sound Phono stage (A late 90's Japanese Audio company)

Aric Audio Unlimited all tube preamp

Odyssey Khartago w/ upgraded power supply and internal wiring

Divine Acoustics Proxima speakers

Now the story of my Frankenstein cable setup.  When I started purchasing cables I found an independent cable maker online who used silver in all his cables. I had purchased 3 power cables for my phono pre, preamp and amp. Unfortunately we had a falling out and I decided not to purchase any more cables from him. I was very green in the whole cable game and I still am but have learned a bit since. Most notably is how silver can brighten a system and the Ortofon 2M black is known as a bright sounding cart to begin with.

Being on a budget and wanting to upgrade all my interconnects at once I came upon vintage western electric interconnects being sold on here and elsewhere. Purported "giant killers" so I bought those for the time being at $114 a pair. But I needed a phono cable and being as green as I am/was thought you needed a cable with an attached ground and extra shielding. I couldn't find a western electric specific phono cable so I bought an Audio Sensibility impact SE phono cable. For speaker wire I went with the Belden 9497 from the same place I got the western electric. A nice budget cable and also a purported "giant killer". For my turntable I  got a western electric power cable from the same place.

So I'm running 3 silver power cables to phono amp, preamp, amp and a western electric power cable to the turntable. Audio Sensibility phono cable. Western Electric interconnects from phono to preamp and preamp to amp, and the Belden 9497 speaker wire. What a mess right lol.

I want to streamline all my cables so I bought a pair of Audio Sensibility impact se interconnects. Same make as my phono cable. When I put them in between the preamp and amp I was shocked how dull and lifeless the sound was. Granted they are not broken in and only went through the 3 day burn in process Audio Sensibility offers but I was not expecting that dramatic of a change. The phono cable sounds good so maybe it is break in? Or the phono cable being OCC copper is taming some of the harshness of the Ortofon cartridge but the interconnect from preamp to amo is taming it too much?

I'd like to start auditioning cables from different manufacturers in the "mid-fi" price range and actually get this done right this time around. Given my system is there any advice to be offered on where I should start? I don't want things too bright sounding but not as lifeless as the Audio Sensibility (occ copper) either. And I'm a sucker for lush mid bass and mids hence the all tube preamp.

Sorry for the novel and thanks for any help!

 

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Look at used Cardas cables. This puts you in with high end manufactures with a propensity towards natural sound… great if your equipment isn’t high end. Using Audiogon or used cables.com will get you in at half the original price. Also look at used Harmonics copper.

Not challenging your experience, however its a little perplexing to read a cable with OCC copper is dull, lifeless, or taming too much. The Audio Sensibility Statement SE is supposed to have low capacitance and low inductance.

Do you have another source component (CD or streamer > DAC) or other to test with on the front end instead of a phono player? (leaving the AS Statement as-is) between the amp and preamp? Re-test, is it still dull or lifeless?

"So I'm running 3 silver power cables to phono amp, preamp, amp and a western electric power cable to the turntable."

Silver is not a good metal choice for power cables. Use 14ga. or larger copper power cables.

Not challenging your experience, however its a little perplexing to read a cable with OCC copper is dull, lifeless, or taming too much.

Is it possible I'm just so used to how bright my system is that a more neutral cable would lead me to think of it as dull? I have a cd player I can try them out on to see what that sounds like. Thanks. 

I'll also look into the cardas cables like ghdprentice suggested. 

Silver is not a good metal choice for power cables. Use 14ga. or larger copper power cables.

 

Thanks I'll keep that in mind! 

 

 

 

 

You’ve got too much going on at the same time and IMO, it’s impossible to sort out the way you’re doing it. I think you should buy a complete set of Belden ICs and speaker cables from Blue Jeans and some $10 power cables from Amazon and start over. Listen like that for 2 weeks and then start inserting your cables back one by one to see what each one is doing on its own. That’s what I think at least