What defines mid-fi versus high-end?


I’m in my mid fifties and I recall 30 years back mid-fi to me fell into the NAD, Adcom, B&K…. For high-end I considered Mac, some of the Counterpoint offerings, Cary…. so forth.  I had another post going where I mentioned I acquired an Onkyo  home theater receiver that retailed new for $1,100.   Yet another agoner responded that it does not rate as mid-fi.   We all have our opinions of course.   So right or wrong here.
How do you define the parameters of high-end versus mid-if?  By money range, by brand…?

 

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Mid-fi is the cost of a nice vacation, and hi-fi is the cost of a new car.

You are right for sure if we spoke about price tag...

But all in life is not about price tag...

We can have almost high-fi sound quality at low cost and high-end with a bad sound at high cost, how?

Acoustic and psycho-acoustic method well used or not used at all ...

It seems that this possibility escape most people here...  😁😊

As cd318 stated. "Mid-fi" was and is mostly a marketing term to make you think you need to spend $$$ more than you want for a given level of quality in sound.

Everything is an engineering to price compromise at ANY level. But the goal is or should always be the same: Provide as good a full-range sound as possible with good dynamics without coloration.

Of course it seems that 80% of consumer speakers don’t follow that paradigm and too often intentionally color the sound. Some manufacturers even tout that as their "signature sound". Or boost the bass for bass heads. People coming from crappy earbuds into this hobby are impressed by that of course, but then later find themselves wanting something more balanced.

So, at the end of the day, when you reach a level of hearing all the detail you desire with music sounding as real as possible, I think you are "there".

It is all an illusion. No speaker I’ve ever heard sounds as real as a real instrument because it is NOT the real thing. Yes, they can come close and that is a good thing. But even people listening from another room can distinguish the difference.

It is pretty amazing though. A piece of paper flapping can be made to sound like a flute, a bass drum, a human voice. Great physics for sure.

This is a hobby after all. Something to enjoy on the journey, doing some experimentation, and finding out what compromises suit you.

By definition I think most of us know that things such as Bluetooth speakers, most earbuds, and such are either Lo-fi or Mid-fi. Then moving up to a decent AVR and speakers should get you to a good place, then moving up to separates get you even more.

Spend $400, $4000, $40,000. Somewhere in there you should find what you are looking for within the limits of technology. Just don’t forget to factor in your room acoustics of course.

Compared to the 1950s we are living in a great era for quality sound at all budget levels. Not bad.

I just wish more younger people would get into this hobby and keep it going.  I'm not sure all the niche higher end manufacturers will be able to stay in business with a declining clientele.  

 

 

Mahgister and Moonwatcher are exactly correct. I was just making a joke. We should all be happy with what we have if it meets our budget, and we are satisfied.

If anyone bothered to listen to the one hour 45 minute YouTube interview with founder of Merrill Audio that user danager posted above, they would be treated to a discussion of real High Fidelity as he advertised. A discussion of how “I did it myself because I didn’t see anyone else doing it” (paraphrasing Merrill), “the weaknesses of other’s approach is . . .” (again, paraphrasing), and “with my approach, the challenges were ‘a,’ ‘b,’ ‘c,’ which we met by doing ‘x,’ ‘y,’ ‘x.’” (Once more, paraphrasing). Really intelligently laying out the challenges which every audio engineer must meet and overcome. We have our transformers custom made, and our supplier won’t tell us how they do it, but they meet our specifications. One of our competitors (and friends), has his capacitors made to his specifications and tests each one. What are the plates on top of the case? They help with the vibrations in the case— I could go on. But, the point is, the ultimate product is sound like no one has ever heard before. That is High Fidelity, because someone cares, because everything matters. And yes, it costs five figures (but not six), so yes, it is expensive, like it always was, it it is attainable, given a lifetime, or the greater portion of it.

"High End" refers only to price.

"Mid Fi" refers to the current system of all audiophiles.