I don't want to beat a dead horse but I'm bugged.


I just can't clear my head of this. I don't want to start a measurements vs listening war and I'd appreciate it if you guys don't, but I bought a Rogue Sphinx V3 as some of you may remember and have been enjoying it quite a bit. So, I head over to AVS and read Amir's review and he just rips it apart. But that's OK, measurements are measurements, that is not what bugs me. I learned in the early 70s that distortion numbers, etc, may not be that important to me. Then I read that he didn't even bother listening to the darn thing. That is what really bugs me. If something measures so poorly, wouldn't you want to correlate the measurements with what you hear? Do people still buy gear on measurements alone? I learned that can be a big mistake. I just don't get it, never have. Can anybody provide some insight to why some people are stuck on audio measurements? Help me package that so I can at least understand what they are thinking without dismissing them completely as a bunch of mislead sheep. 

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Artificial Intelligence is NOT intelligence...This is another matter out of this subject thread for sure...

Because "meanings" in human experience emerge through the deeply rooted biological body in all evolutive history beginning with the first cell...And this rooting is INTEGRATED at all scales and worked all the times not as a passed over abandonned tools but like an actual tools, our body host trillions of cells...... Life never let anything die without reason..Life explore and play but is not blind sorry...Randomness is not understood in biology...It is understood only in mathematics anyway...( the most important fact in mathematics is nor order or randomness but some kind of "music", this is demonstrated by non commutative geometry works of the fields medallist Alain Connes)

And in some very important theoretical approach in neuro research we must distinguish INTELLIGENCE and CONSCIOUSNESS completely... They are no more synonymus...

Consciousness is biologically and symbolically rooted , intelligence is only symbolically rooted, one is more fundamental...Consciousness encompass intelligence, not the opposite... There exist in the universe an "artificial intelligence" completely closed on themselves with no root in this universe at all... But i cannot enter this here...

Read Giulio Tononi... among others...or Penrose-Hameroff works etc...About the difference between consciousness and intelligence...

An intelligence rooted in an embodied consciousness work non algorithmically and work CONJUGATED AND IN CORRELATION with all others embodied intelligence through a hierarchical set of Markov blankets......To understand that read Karl Friston works among others...

The prime numbers distribution that Goedel used to created the first part of his famous theorem is essential...And primes numbers distribution is non algorithmically reducible ....

An A. I. do not and never will do...

Transhumanist science is technology gone mad...Not science...Yuval Noah Harari is an exemple of perfect intelligence without any ethical consciousness, he promote the right for some to hack the human body and negate the freedon of humans...

Intelligence has nothing to do with being "wise"....

 

«Do you claim that poetry rule over mathematics?»-Groucho Marx 🤓

 

 

I’m all in favour of upholding the sovereignty of the human mind and perceptual system, but isn’t this just wishful thinking as we enter the age of AI?

@clearthink

 

Let me restate. You can compare the frequency response of headphones to speakers. You can also jump off a tall building. Doing the latter without a parachute and the former without applying appropriate corrections are both bad ideas. Are you advocating bad ideas?

I really got into headphones when travelling extensively pre-Covid.

The graph above, the Harmon Preference curve, is based on in-ear frequency response of over-ear and in-ear head phones. If your headphones match this response tested with a dummy head, then they will approximately match the response of a good flat on axis speaker in a room.

Perhaps you should not make insults like this,

I suggest you familiarize yourself with these common practices so as to avoid your misinformation.

when it implies you are providing accurate information, when what you were doing is misleading due to inaccurate or insufficient information.

 

It’s curves like this (there are several variants) that headphone designs nowadays target. Maybe we should do something similar for Amps plus speakers.

To the original posts author, I think we do that already. It is called flat though it may relate back to the Harmon in room preference curve. That would be worth checking out again.

 

I'm the opposite.  My system sounds really good to me, the best sound I've acheived to date, so I'm scared to run REW and find out I'm wrong.  I'm also scared to upgrade anything and screw it up.

And so, I'm told to rely on measurements, both my SET amps total failures based on high even order distortion. And then we have my SMSL amp I use for burn in purposes. I have no doubt the SMSL measures better than both SET amps, so is the vastly inferior sound quality of the SMSL a total figment of my imagination? Hilarious! Even more hilarious, take this couple hundred dollar amp, class D design and compare it to multi thousand dollar class D amp, both measure pretty near exact. Does measurement acolyte believe SMSL sounds as good, lets say Atmasphere class D?

I wonder if megadollar car owners spout the same stuff when a Tesla 3 (properly equipped) dusts them at the light.

I don't think an accurate amp is expensive to make.  Technology progresses. Pay more and you pay for different or more power.