IT is really an earthquake paradigm change on brain reasearch... It will illuminate even hearing... I am interested by hearing theory.
Those fellow appear like quacks not quakes.
I don't want to beat a dead horse but I'm bugged.
I just can't clear my head of this. I don't want to start a measurements vs listening war and I'd appreciate it if you guys don't, but I bought a Rogue Sphinx V3 as some of you may remember and have been enjoying it quite a bit. So, I head over to AVS and read Amir's review and he just rips it apart. But that's OK, measurements are measurements, that is not what bugs me. I learned in the early 70s that distortion numbers, etc, may not be that important to me. Then I read that he didn't even bother listening to the darn thing. That is what really bugs me. If something measures so poorly, wouldn't you want to correlate the measurements with what you hear? Do people still buy gear on measurements alone? I learned that can be a big mistake. I just don't get it, never have. Can anybody provide some insight to why some people are stuck on audio measurements? Help me package that so I can at least understand what they are thinking without dismissing them completely as a bunch of mislead sheep.
Here is a Fields medallist, Alain Connes and a nobel prize Penrose coupled with this Indian scientist who cumulate already many prizes who is 37 years old now, already first author of many books, with ten to come soon, are they look like a quacks assembly, save perhaps for someone who type non sense here? Do you think Penrose lost many days of his life discussing with a quack? Call me a "quack" it will be less damaging for your brain reputation here... Born in a musical family,[1] father, late Ajoy Kumar Banerjee and mother Chhanda Banerjee, he grew up in Malda district of West Bengal, India. He studied in Ramkrishna Mission Vivekananda Vidyamandir, Malda and completed an honors degree in Physics from Malda college. He completed a master’s degree in Solid state physics, with specialization in Astrophysics from North Bengal University (1998-2000). His master’s thesis was on Gravitational wave. He did a doctorate in Indian Association for the Cultivation of science, IACS, from 2001 to 2005. In PhD, he was involved in inventing plastic memory[23] and organic memory switching devices. He joined as ICYS fellow at the International Center for Young Scientists, ICYS in 2005 for building artificial brain. From 2008 April, he is continuing as a permanent faculty in National Institute for Materials Science, NIMS, Japan and developing artificial brain. He was a visiting researcher at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, MIT, 2013–2014. Currently he is jointly at the World Premier Institute (WPI) International Center for Materials and Architectronics (MANA), and Research Center for advanced measurement and characterization (RCAMC) in Japan. |
The situation is not very good in the world right now... I think music help a lot to relax... But good news and interesting stimulating research too... Then why ridiculizing this instead of thinking? Do you want and miss if you are an objectivist arguing with some fetichist subjectivist, or if you are a subjectivist arguing with some zealot objectivist ? Do you miss this circling over this empty meaningless brain void? Not me... We are all normal audiophiles here and we dont need stupid oppositions based on the wind coming from some rear end.... What is sound? what is music? what is hearing? This interest me the most..... What is time is a very deep question and why time exist? What is musical time? Music dont obey the laws of external time, music emerge with his own time, and Alain Connes was amazed by this fact which for him illustrate a fundamental non- commutativity in the cosmos and in number theory like in music... All great maestros like Furwangler and Ansermet have wriiten about this fact, conducting a musical work is letting emerge his internal temporality over the external one... It is a new take in what philosophers of the past called "Platonic forms", which are better described for Anirban Bandyopadhyay by being time-like fractal crystals acting like clocks and geometrical patterns at the same time and distributed by the ruling prime numbers series.... i am amazed...
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My main interest is how do we hear and tune in and interpret sound with this spiral-like and non linear structure of the cochlea, my Ariane thread is the non commutativity of the tone scale ...What is music?
Yes, it’s an interesting phenomena indeed. It’s probably one that will never be fully understood either. How can it be, seeing as how we’re all the result of quite different life experiences? Not to mention different listening environments and apparatus.
On the other hand, playback equipment is nothing like us. No amount anthropomorphism can change the fact that it has no feelings, no emotions, no moods and no memory of what it did yesterday or yesteryear. Its sole function is to react to whatever signal that is passed through it whilst contributing as little as possible of its own character. Take the example of the infamous Linn LP12 and ask yourself which version is more neutral, the original or the current one? Or perhaps we could ask why Rega titled their book, A Vibration Measuring Machine? I’m pretty sure that neither of these companies, both steeped in engineering, would want their products described has having ’character’ or ’colour’.
If some folks do want to play with the speakers and amps and what have you that audibly deviate from the ideal of neutrality, then that’s their choice. They are free to indulge themselves in the same way that an impressionist artist is wont to do. A life through a distortion lens can certainly have its tinted appeal.
The rest of us might instead prefer playback equipment that seeks to emulate a clear glass window into the recording studio, warts and all.
There’s a good summing up of how the industry cold bloodedly approaches these issues of high fidelity that matter so much to some of us here courtesy of the audiophilliac himself, Steve Guttenberg.
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When people talk about the geometry of music it sound more like they might be describing an LSD experience. So much so, that I could not get through the video. I would certainly take measurements over a geometry analogy. |