Balanced versus single ended


From my experience, every situation that had both options, the balanced connection and/or increased gain sounded better, regardless of the bolume knob’s final position. More detail , air, emotional connection etc. The single ended cables used were good, not the bargain or so called high end extreme.

Sometimes using balanced or xlr it involved just the source, but optimally it carried through thd entire chain.

Anyways, my question is: has anyone ever thought that single ended sounded better?given the 2 options. Im only referring to a truly balanced connection.

I ask, because a manufacturer who makes tube amps, recommends single over balanced connection. Is there something else involved in this decision, additional parts or labor complexity? Is the signal path extended?

Thanks in advance

 

recluse

Balanced makes for a more reliably low noise system.  Others have noted hum, earth loops and noise can creep into single ended systems, requiring detective work to locate and rectify.

There is also talk of more gain with balanced.  As I understand it the extra 6dB is a lower noise floor rather than extra gain.  Anyhow, this is a free benefit from running balanced.

I have run my whole main system balanced for about 30 years now, from cartridge to power amp.  It is very quiet and I don't get noise problems.  There is a little additional cost on cabling, but otherwise it's a free lunch.

Very few products even have balanced connections, at least the ones I’m interested in or happen to own. I tend not to stress over it. I’m not about to change out my Amp, dac, turntable, etc...just to gain maybe a 1% difference in sound quality. However, in my back up system, which includes Naim products, it does include balanced XLR connections (2), 5si and cd5i. Luckily the cd5si already came with an XLR balanced cable in the box. Naim recommends the use of such over an RCA connection.

Pro--ject just released a new turntable, the x8, which is a fully balanced design. Additionally, they offer 2 balanced phono preamps to pair with it. However, to keep it balanced all the way through, you would have to buy an Amp with balanced line in connections, otherwise, why bother with it.

There is also talk of more gain with balanced. As I understand it the extra 6dB is a lower noise floor rather than extra gain.

 

That’s not correct. The extra 6 dB is the doubling of the signal amplitude due to having 2 signal wires with opposite polarity. Here’s an online calculator. Put in 1V as the start, 2 V at the end and it will come out to 6. This is the same ratio you get when going from RCA to XLR.

https://aetechron.com/calculator-Volt2dB.shtml

 

As others have noted, with short runs away from noise sources the noise is the same.

So, in terms of the signal to noise ratio (S/N) the N isn’t reduced, but the S is increased.

 

I can only say my present setup, balanced from digital source through real balanced pre, finally through monoblock amps, which are also in effect, true full balanced I get best sq.

 

I've also had any number of se components over the years. Certainly, I have higher resolution than systems or components that contained se. Still, without having the choice on most or present components to directly compare hard to say. Balanced does have advantage of lower noise floor, and components that are truly balanced have inherent advantages as well. Not sharing power supplies, output transformers in case of tube components, signal path circuit is only good.

 

In case where component is not truly balanced, I can imagine se being better, in this case balanced is add on, using transformer or some other scheme for xlr.

The issue goes beyond simply the use of different cables as the "standard for balanced line operation" that Ralph often discusses focuses on how audio equipment is designed with respect to grounding and shielding as discussed here.

Could there be sonic differences based solely on whether the equipment is designed to be balanced or single-ended, probably, but how that single difference would affect the sound we hear is something I couldn't predict.  If implemented properly, the balanced gear should be have less noise.  However, it has not been my experience that fully balanced equipment is immune to all facets of IC cable design such as wire gauge, geometry, shielding, connectors, and materials,  but then IME most cable changes are subtle not revelatory, so YMMV.