Using Adcom GFA-555s as monoblocks to power magnepan 3.3s in active biamp


Yeah, a long title but it says it all.  Presently I have my rebuilt Magnepan 3.3rs actively biamped through a Marchand active crossover, then using 2 stereo amps to power bass and mid/treble respectively.

I am considering taking two Adcom GFA-555s and bridging them and using one each to power the bass panels of the maggies. 

Since the Magnepans are 4 ohm rated, however it's only the bass panels I'd be powering, what are your thoughts on stability?

Appreciate the help.  Don't need suggestions on "selling all my amps and buying one bigger one" - I have a lot of different amp options but am a tinkerer and want to see if the power of a bridged adcom would be good to control the bass panels. 

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@allenf1963 I tried responding to you earlier today, but lost my carefully typed reply disappeared when I tried to exit “preview.” I shall attempt a recreation. Most of the discussion on the ‘Electrical Side,’ as you put it, revolves around Ohms Law and it’s many implications for circuits in general, and AC circuits in particular (music that has been converted to an electrical signal constantly varies in voltage and current similarity to how standard AC voltage varies in phase and current). The AC power which feeds your amplifier is converted to DC fairly quickly, and is then modulated by the tubes or transistors which serve to in an ‘amplify’ at the output the signal which has been input. This amplification process can take place in more than one stage, each stage taking its input from the previous stage’s output. Great care is taken in the early stages to remove noise from the (AC) signal and the (DC) power so that the music coming out is at least as good (if not a bit better) as the signal going in.

The devices used to clean the signal and the power, filter out noise and what might be termed ‘resonances,’ also introduce phase changes themselves; capacitors ‘pass AC,’ and ‘store (or block) DC,’ for current will lead voltage through a capacitor; in like manner, voltage will lead current through inductors (or chokes). There are many factors to consider in the design of optimal circuits, and many parts from which to choose. There is no one clear path to success, but many options, each with trade-offs of their own. Yet each may impart a bit of color to the sound and/or tonality of the whole, or be better at some jobs than others, like powering speakers with low impedances.

Ohms Law states that Voltage (in Volts) = Current (in Amps) * Resistance (in Ohms). A corollary of Ohm’s Law is that Power (in Watts) = Current (in Amps) * Voltage (in Volts). Many permutations of this formula are used to solve for one or the other of these quantities.

In AC circuits, “resistance” can also be defined in terms of frequency as ‘impedance’ generally, and “reactance” specifically, as in ‘capacitive reactance’ (Xc) and ‘inductive reactance’ (Xl) [the symbols for reactance are written italic capital X sub small caps C and italic capital X sub small cap L]. Xc = 1 / 2(pi)fC [where (pi) = 3.146, f = frequency, and C = capacitance in Farads]; and Xl = 2(pi)fL [where (pi) = 3.146, f = frequency, and L = inductance in Henries or Henrys]. You will note that capacitive reactance (Xc) decreases with frequency and inductive reactance increases with frequency.

I could go on, but I fear either losing you or boring you (or both). I was where you are twenty years ago when, at age 49, I went to Community College and earned an Associates of Science degree in Electrical Engineering Technology. I have been, and still am, active on the faculty as an adjunct instructor. I encourage you to seek out training in the following two topics ‘DC/AC Circuit Analysis’ and Electronic Devices.’ Textbooks on both topics by one Thomas L. Floyd informed my study (and still does). There are other avenues these days, including interactive online seminars and courses. A YouTube channel, ‘Mr. Carlson’s Lab,’ offers to train you in the field by working your way through repairs of various radios, amps, and test equipment while teaching fundamentals and techniques. YouTuber ‘XRayTonyB’ walks you through extensive repair and restoration of vintage HiFi gear, and another fellow in Arizona likes to repair vintage, tuned guitar amps. His name escapes me at present, but he too walks you through the schematic, explains how the circuit works, and also teaches you some rather crafty techniques to restoring the cabinets as well. Both he and Mr. Carlson don’t hesitate to ‘improve’ on circuits they find with known problems, which I also find very interesting.

To reiterate, I found formal education necessary to answer the questions I was coming up on in my work; plus, I was just plain curious. There is math involved, up to and including Algebra II and trigonometry. While it takes forms of calculus to truly solve some of the equations on the AC side, you can get by with some instructions for using special functions (imaginary numbers comes to mind). I found the exploration of the topic well worth my time; I’ve been involved in electrical/electronic pursuits ever since.

Good Luck

(By-the-way, this write-up only faintly resembles what I wrote this morning at 5:30a, I guess I get a bit loquacious in the afternoon (and it’s not even 5:00p yet).

@oldrooney 

Thank you very, very, much for taking the time to respond so in-depth to a complete stranger.  I really appreciate it.  I am going to take time to read and reread what you have written.  Indeed, Ohm's Law is at the top of the "Electrical Side" of this hobby that totally confounds me.  I'm 58 and retired, so I have all the time in the world -- I'm glad to see someone else later in life pursued this interest through Community College.  After digesting your info, be prepared for more questions!  Thank you again.

 

Allen

To Tackle your simpler question:

Take a look at the Stereophile measurements on any speaker.  Regardless of what the manufacturer specifies as its nominal impedance, the solid line in the 1st graph will show the impedance (up and down) varies significantly by frequency (bass to treble is left to right).  The discontinuities normally correspond to port tuning, crossover frequencies, cabinet resonances, etc.  While the nominal impedance (along with sensitivity) should give you some idea of their power requirements, it's not unusual for the speaker impedance to vary from half (or less) to a few times that value.  It is quite common for the lowest impedance to be reached in the bass, where power requirements are highest.

You won't find that graph for SS amps, as their output impedance is usually a fraction of an ohm and much less variable across the audio band.  However, any distortion or clipping graphs will normally climb slowly on the right side of the graph, then suddenly and dramatically turn north.  You don't want to push your amp into this region!

Depending on the nature of the mismatch, the result could be an amp or speaker fuse blown, or a speaker driver or an amp output section.  Your house & neighborhood are probably safe, though!

@petaluman 

"Depending on the nature of the mismatch, the result could be an amp or speaker fuse blown, or a speaker driver or an amp output section.  Your house & neighborhood are probably safe, though!"

 

That's good to know!  Usually when I do some tinkering and something unwanted happens, it's never small.  I go big!

@allenf1963 If I may comment on @petaluman ’s answer, in terms of Ohm’s Law, let us say you have an old-time filament-type flash light. If you Ohm out the bulb, it shows continuity, just as a speaker coil does, but when you turn your old-time flash light (or ‘torch’ as the Brit’s are wont to call it) on, the filament lights up and gets warm, the warmth is energy (power) being dissipated. The bulb (or more correctly lamp’) is rated in Watts because of the energy (power) it is releasing, mostly in the form of heat, and only secondarily as light. [Light Emitting Diodes (LEDs) emit more light than heat, but that’s another story.]

Now, suppose that this is a magical flash light and capable of illuminating the space in any color of the spectrum and beyond, shining different colors like a loud speaker reproduces different frequencies of the audio spectrum. What @petaluman is saying is that this ability to ‘play different frequencies’ is not without cost. As the wavelengths get longer (that is, frequencies get lower), it takes more power to generate them. For light waves, this means that red light is harder to generate than blue or violet; or, more to the point, that bass is more difficult to generate than treble. In fact, when really low bass notes are generated, unless the amp and speaker are designed for it, the speaker appears as a near short to the amp. Remember, to an Ohmmeter, it IS a short, it is only because the wire is wrapped in the form of a coil, and has AC current running through it at a particular frequency that it exhibits a resistance, or, more properly ‘reactance’ (XsubL). So the speaker coil gets warm and expands, possibly shorting, the fuse, if installed blows, the output transformer (if part of the amp’s design), heats, shorts, and blows, any integrated DSP chip starts complaining and sending messages to the screen before it blows —and the music dies. In our flash light analogy, running the red light all the time burns the batteries up more quickly than light of higher frequencies.

A disclaimer, the flash analogy is used for illustrative purposes only, I have no idea how much energy it takes to produce light of a specific color, although, since red LEDs were produced well before the relatively recent white LEDs I may have it backwards. I was trying to emphasize the longer wavelengths of bass compared to treble.

Hope this helps.