DAC diminishing returns


Looking for some experienced input on the diminishing return as you go up the the DAC ladder. I mostly stream music and occasionally listen to CDs.  Currently, I’m using a Schiit Bifrost Multibit DAC.  It’s connected to my Naim Nait 5Si and that drives Zu Omen ii speakers. In my limited experience, I have not heard any substantial differences when changing DACs.  I’m considering a Denafrips Pontus DAC.  Does the significantly higher cost justify what might be a marginal increase in sound quality?  Is buying a more expensive DAC for better sound just splitting hairs, and making you feel better about your system?  Are different DACs just different coloration of the sound?

I don’t want to be duped into buying something I don’t really need. Thanks.

dsfreeh

@danager

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I have found that if you carefully research what you want in any component category and invest no less that 2x or more the cost of your existing component you virtually always get a “wow” improvement. Small differences or poorly researched ones get lateral moves.

 

Also. On the streamer… I have had many starting with PCs and MACs. I recommend not holding back… my streamer is twenty five percent more expensive than my DAC. Totally worth it. The streamer is like the turntable… if you start out with a noisy signal… it does not get fixed. I was hesitant since it was just zeros and ones… but it is like all other components. It really makes a difference. My streamer equals my really good vinyl in sound quality and bests red book CDs.

Hello dsfreeh!  If you have tried a few DACs and not noticed much of a difference between them, start with a good USB cable. I have found this to be the most "difference making" cable in my systems. It is quite critical. You don't have to pay a fortune. Zavfino makes the best one I have tried. Wireworld and Furutek (spelling?) make fine products and they may be found at UsedCable.com and oher sites. "Last Year's" top models suffer heavy discounts as new models are introduced. Under $200 will get you a very good cable. You should be able to detect differences between DACs. Happy hunting.

My current dac, is the Audio Alchemy DDP-1 dac/pre, which I've owned a couple years now. About a year ago I was bitten by the R2R dac bug, but they are all out of my price range. However, I upgraded the coax cable and power cords to the AA, and could hear both. I also replaced a transport that died, and upgraded the PC to my amp and CDT6000 transport and could both

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Amazing how Denafrips has no return policy....  that is a deal breaker for me.  

DACs are fascinating.  All DACs present you with a tradeoff between detail and soundstage.  If you are looking for fine inner detail, great separation of strings, etc... be prepared to compromise in terms of soundstage.  If your priority is soundstage, be willing to compromise in terms of absolute detail.  

In the sub $2K range, I am far from an expert.  But two units I know well are the Chord Qutest and the Questyle CMA 12.  Chord has a reputation for being a bit forward and in practice, bright.  It also tends to not have a very wide soundstage.  That said, no one is better than Chord in terms of soundstage depth and stability between the speakers.  If you want a clear and stable central image, Qutest is amazing.  

Alternatively, the CMA 12 sounds big.  It has scale in terms of width of soundstage and good depth.  Your image will extend well beyond the outside of your speakers assuming proper setup.  It is neutral to maybe a hair warm.  Inner detail compared to Chord Qutest will be okay.  It is detailed, but not in the same league as Chord.  Just like Chords soundstage width is not in the same league as Questyle.  

At a root level, there are tons of awesome DACs on the market.  Do your research and try one in your system on a return policy.  Most return policies charge you return shipping and maybe 3% making your risk relatively small.  

Based on your comments above, it does look like you are not getting hung up on R2R vs Chip vs FPGA.  That is wise.  People make generalizations about these styles but that is driven more by the house sounds of popular brands rather than actual differences in how they reproduce sound.  

I have no practical recommendations on what you should actually demo.  As I said, this is a price range I don't know that well.  Hopefully the above comparison helps.