New user phono question. Comes with free story.


So once upon a time I saved a record player from the trash.  It don’t think it was anything special as those things go, but it was much beloved by me.  It was the first, and until recently, the only “system” I had ever heard that made me understand why people sit and spend hours just listening to music.. And did I ever put in the hours.  I was in school then, and time was a luxury I had.  That little record player spun so much that it eventually started spinning faster and faster until I couldn’t listen to it.  Without the knowhow to repair it, or the money to replace, it went into the trash with the intention to replace it.. Someday... Then came wife, then came kids.

Fast forward 15 years, and it occurred to me one morning that I had the time to listen to music again.  To me the choice of media was obvious.  I had fallen in love with vinyl, and it was time to rekindle the love afair.  That was about two months ago. It all started innocently enough, borrowing dusty components from be basements of friends and family to cobble something together that would reproduce sound. It was okay, but the first attempt didn’t come close to the sound I remembered.  From there I started shopping for better components and things spiraled out of hand rather quickly.

So far, I’ve bought an old Sony PS-X6 turntable with a Sure M95-ED cartridge, a Technics SU-V6 amp, and a set of Vaughn Triode speakers.  I wanted to encourage my kids to use the stereo too, so to make it more convenient, I decided to add a digital source.  That wound up being Amazon music, a Lavaudio blue-tooth adapter, and a Denifrips Ares II.  And this brings me to the problem.
 

The digital source sounds better, as in WAY better.  On digital, listening gives me that first date butterflies feeling every time, and I just want to turn it up, and up some more.  On vinyl there is just less, less of everything.  Now I am at a cross roads.  I have to decide weather to put more money into the vinyl or just abandon a few hundred pounds of records which I have recently discovered are all available in very nice quality digital anyway.  This finally brings me to the question.  Budget is a concern for me and I’m wondering if I have just fluked into some equipment that under-performs on records, or dollar for dollar, is it just harder to get performance from vinyl?  Do you think it would be realistic to get to the performance of the digital side of the system for say, a $1000 investment, or is that just a pipe dream?  I already have an integrated MC phono stage, so maybe I should try another cartridge?

If you’ve read this far. Thanks!

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Wow. That's a lot of very considered advice fast.  If digital really offers that much value, maybe I have to consider spending very judiciously on the vinyl and focus on getting the best out of one source.  I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet though, at least not without making sure the kit I have now is set up properly.

 

Dogberry, It is interesting that you mention checking the setup of the turntable first.  I didn't ask too many questions because I bought it from an old fella that was really more interested in telling stories than anything else, and I got a smokin' deal on it.  It would have felt rude to start grilling him over it.  On the way out the door he actually gave me a couple of EQs just because he had a stack of them and kinda had to thin them out.

Anyway, when I got home, I looked up the specs from sure and it is supposed to have about 1.25 grams of tracking force, but it was set at 2 grams.  I set it by the book.  I could try bumping the force back up, but I don't want to damage any vinyl. Would 2g of force have damaged the stylus?  I'll also check on the overhang and VTA.

 

Right now the sound is thin, lacking detail, and fatiguing.

 

deeelbee,

I think we were posting at the same time.  Funny coincidence - I am also using RadioShack RCA cables.  For speaker cables though, I have an old 14ga extension cord that I cut up.  I suppose that's not really audiophile grade, but it is very nice non-recycled copper.  I'm not against spending some money cables, I just don't think it is wise to do so before I have the major components of my system sorted out.

For record cleaning, all I have is a brush. I started looking at spin cleaners, vacuums, and ultra-sonics a few weeks ago.  I became overwhelmed with the noise of the internet trying to sell me stuff and gave up on it.

This is exactly how I imagined it would sound given the cheap table and mid-fi integrated with built-in phono amp.

Right now the sound is thin, lacking detail, and fatiguing.

YOLO. Grab the bull by the horns and get the following: 

Pioneer PLX1000, Nagaoka MP110, Schiit Mani phono amp, Spin Clean, decent set of RCA cables.

is it just harder to get performance from vinyl?

It's harder and way more expensive.

Do you think it would be realistic to get to the performance of the digital side of the system for say, a $1000 investment, or is that just a pipe dream?

No. It’s a pipe dream.

Unless you have a lot of vinyl, I’d focus on getting your digital system tuned up. Maybe some decent speaker cables and interconnects. Don’t spend more than $200 each. (I have a Raven Osprey and run all Raven Audio cables - really nice and very reasonable and you can try them at home for 45 days).

Get blue tooth out of the streaming equation. As an example, I have a Bluesound Node ($600) and Tidal Hi-Fi @ $10 mth. (skip the higher priced subscription with MQA). Sounds amazing and that is compared to my analogue source that I spent $14K on (which I love, but still...)