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Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

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barts
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Although I don't agree  with Amir (ASR) on many conclusions I do enjoy watching him now and again.  He does not offend me and quite a few times has shown/taught me something I did not know.

I'm also of the opinion that he does help a budding audiophile get into a hobby without spending $$$$.  If the gear he recommends actually sounds good, the budding audiophile will at some point want to upgrade and likely have an open mind concerning listening vs testing. What other way is there? Unless your name happens to be Julian Hirsch.

I watched a clip of an interview with Amir where he stated that his main system consisted of Revel Salon II and Krell class A monoblocks. He didn't go any further than that.  Sort of paradoxical when you consider he MUST have tested speakers that measured the same.  Or not!

Regards,

barts 

 

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thyname
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@djones51 :

…. and the biggest factor that determines what you hear is your  speakers/room .

Agree on that. I would love to learn what you accomplished on that front. Please post a picture of your system here. I assume you have excellent speakers placed on a highly optimized purpose built dedicated heavily treated room? I think you have Dutch & Dutch active speakers, correct?

 

 

djones51
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I sold the Dutch and Dutch, they are exceptional  speakers but I prefer a wider dispersion speaker. I now have Atalante 5 speakers you won't find any measurements I'm aware of they are a relatively new company entirely designed and built in France.  I use a cheap Topping DAC and a class D amplifier. REW for measurements and Roon PEQ filters, very few about 4 I believe. I don't have a dedicated room and minimal treatments. 

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thyname
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So I am curious, how did you buy your speakers without any measurements available? I am assuming not by listening as that is worthless to you, does not matter. Or you had measurements, but they were / are secret? Basically, I am curious how you arrived on a purchase decision on the main element of the audio system, speakers. 

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nonoise
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Taking a look at the Atalante 5 speakers really whetted by appetite. I can see them easily replacing my JBL 4319 monitors as I have the perfect stands for them. Now I have to wait and see if a retailer opens near me and for some reviews. Nice history behind them.

All the best,
Nonoise

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