Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

Take a look at this post on sound signature of amplifiers

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/measuring-the-sound-signature-of-two-different-integrated-amplifiers.37963/

 

ASR is like Audiogon.  There is a wide range of opinions on Audiogon the same way there is a wide range of opinions on ASR.  Amir pays for the website and offers his opinions.  Other readers like me can provide my opinions too, and it’s not deleted or censored and can be put up to the front page too.

What makes ASR different is that opinions should be backed by something that is not purely subjective nor purely relying on the trust of the an expert opinion.  Amir’s standard test set might not capture every last bit of potential for audio performance, but it is reliable and reproducible and FREE. Ground loops can be a real difference in home environments and there are times that I can get product A to perform just as well as product A in Amir’s lab, but product B in my home measures worse (and potentially sounds worse).  This is where testing at home is important.

30 years ago, we said that it was impossible to measure certain things we can hear.  The software and hardware has gotten better.  We can measure differences.

@kota1 I'm on the same page. If you were in the same city as me I'd share a drink with you. And Amir as well.

@gxalan, welcome to the forum, I see this is your first post. Can you tell us a little bit about your system, your taste, and what you would like to achieve in this hobby? If you were on a desert island and could only bring three CD's, what would they be? If you had a fire and could only take one component from your home what would you take?

@kokakolia , thanks for the reply, maybe we will meet at an audio event in the future (it could be virtual but the champagne will have to stay on ice.)

i find the "he’s just doing this for money" critique ridiculous. way to offer up a perfect mirror image of the bad faith argument you can see on ASR every single day. "we must conclude that by making poor (according to my arbitrary tests) design choices, these manufacturers are clearly only out to deceive gullible audiophiles" "that’s just snake oil" etc : "amir is only in this for money". it’s the same stupid argument from both camps. better to judge peoples opinions on their merits instead of reading malice into every little thing you disagree with

There are probably more than a few here who miss the good old days of arguing over Covid vaccines.