@kota1 I'm on the same page. If you were in the same city as me I'd share a drink with you. And Amir as well.
Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy
"Audiophiles are Snobs" Youtube features an idiot! He states, with no equivocation, that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good. He is either deaf or a liar or both!
There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review. If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public. They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better. They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance. Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.
Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?
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@gxalan, welcome to the forum, I see this is your first post. Can you tell us a little bit about your system, your taste, and what you would like to achieve in this hobby? If you were on a desert island and could only bring three CD's, what would they be? If you had a fire and could only take one component from your home what would you take? @kokakolia , thanks for the reply, maybe we will meet at an audio event in the future (it could be virtual but the champagne will have to stay on ice.) |
i find the "he’s just doing this for money" critique ridiculous. way to offer up a perfect mirror image of the bad faith argument you can see on ASR every single day. "we must conclude that by making poor (according to my arbitrary tests) design choices, these manufacturers are clearly only out to deceive gullible audiophiles" "that’s just snake oil" etc : "amir is only in this for money". it’s the same stupid argument from both camps. better to judge peoples opinions on their merits instead of reading malice into every little thing you disagree with |
@kota1 I am a long time user of Audiogon to buy and sell gear and have a nice collection of vintage and contemporary gear. The beauty of measurements is that you don’t need to rely on taste or my gear list. :) I enjoy a lot of different types of music and enjoy different systems depending on my mood. I have owned Proceed/Levinson gear, contemporary and vintage McIntosh solid state and tubes, Pure Class A Accuphase, PS Audio, Nelson Pass era Adcom, Primare, NAD, Sony ES, Denon, Marantz, etc. I have had planars, ribbons, omnipolars, soft dome tweeters, metal tweeters, compression drivers, etc. I find that the most accurate sounding systems are the best for well recorded classical music but are too unforgiving for good but not great singers or good but not great recordings. (Examples of a good but not great singers are Emma Stone and Ryan Gosling from the La La Land Soundtrack, and a great singer with a poor recording, Joyce Jonathan’s Sur Mes Gardes.) As a music lover, I have achieved everything I need for great sound and enough experience to pick the system that gives me the most enjoyment for any individual piece of music. As a hobbyist, and why I spend time on ASR, is that I hope to show everyone that everything that can be heard can be measured, it’s OK to prefer coloration, and there are a lot of tweaks that are just sighted bias/snake oil. Anyone who is serious about the hobby of wanting to know why something sounds good (or bad) should invest in their own test gear. Compared to what some are charging for cables or line conditioners, it’s pretty cheap. |
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