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Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler
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russ69
3,523 posts
 

I’m running out of popcorn and the mudwrestling match shows no signs of a clear winner in sight. 

We all won. Everybody got to express their opinion and some readers may have learned a few things or at least been given some food for thought. ASR closed their thread while we are still up and running. I'm not too proud of the personal attacks but very happy this thread stayed open despite the contentiousness. 

prof
3,474 posts
 

I could (and should) learn a thing or two from him on how to engage the absolutists and dogmatics one encounters along the way.

The amount of "projection" in this thread is really something ;-)

 

djones51
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where i disagree is when people insist that i shouldn't trust my senses when i am determining whether a piece of equipment is good for my system. 

I don't think anyone insists you shouldn't trust your senses. I certainly don't.

td_dayton
320 posts
 

@djones51 i appreciate that. 

i became interested in this general topic due to ASR guys on reddit telling me that i had no idea what i was talking about when all i said was that i generally prefer vinyl to digital and that it sounds better to me. "you are an idiot, digital is objectively better" etc. like, ok buddy. that's your opinion. have had many other similar exchanges over the past couple years in various forums. i simply don't agree that better spec (however defined) = better sound in all cases, and i think that there are limits to what testing and measurements can actually tell us, for the reasons i offer in my previous post. 

juanmanuelfangioii
958 posts
 

I enjoy WBF because they do have industry experts posting there. 

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