Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

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@russ69 If I had to sum up why websites like ASR are not that interesting to me;

I would say firstly, they have an emphasis on low price gear, a segment I don't often shop in.

Is this a reason why many on the forum are dismayed at the rigorous and hard marking provided by Amir?   

You are entitled to not concern yourself with buying the best, despite its modest price..  Nobody cares except the rapidly failing high end components bricks and mortar market.  And the site we are currently on - enjoy it while you can.

 

@rudyb +1

I actually have no idea what the whole discussion is about. Scientific measurements can deduct a certain device measures better than another [within the tested parameter], and listening tests can deduct a person likes a certain sound more than another. These are two entirely different things, and both can live perfectly together.

Possibly the most reasonable post of this entire thread. 


 

Cin Dyment: you are a sick, sad human being. Disgusting. Back here again dude?! Wow!

Nobody cares except the rapidly failing high end components bricks and mortar market.  And the site we are currently on - enjoy it while you can.

The high-end market is very strong with more choices than we have ever had. There is a shift away from the brick and mortar business model but online and direct sales are booming! Business is good.  

I don’t understand the rational foundations of the subjectivists here, if there are any.   As a disclaimer I admire Amir, ASR, and it’s many knowledgeable contributors. But I also like some components for extra-audio reasons that Amir would justly put on his reject list.

The subjectivists here seem to put great stock into human sensory perception, something that philosophers have been questioning for millennia. Sensory perception is highly fallible to say the least. When one puts a pencil in a glass of water it looks bent; we see mirages in the desert; amputees commonly feel the presence of the missing limb, etc., etc., etc. So along came science in an effort to establish deeper insights and establish some degree of objectivity. So knowing that our senses are so misleading how can the audio subjectivists rely solely on their hearing?  They also run the risk of encountering something akin to the Roshomon complex whereby a number of individuals have the same experience but interpret it in all different ways. Sometimes the subjectivists seem to be insisting that that pencil is really bent in that glass! Why would anyone reject science when, given the human condition, it’s all we have to attain some form of objectivity?

Given that the audio subjectivists are so skeptical of science, why do  they so readily believe wild and unsubstantiated claims concocted by manufacturers of all sorts of cables, power conditioners, power supplies, etc.? It appears that they believe in order to understand, thus putting the cart before the horse, which is a questionable methodology. 

Most of the subjectivists here, like the OP, are pleased with the components they own and that is very good. You like what you hear which is all anyone can ask. So what ASR says about your stereo shouldn’t bother you. If I had some of these systems, all connected with the most expensive and exotic cables, I’d sit back and enjoy the music, and refrain from insulting Amir, ASR, and most of all science.