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Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler
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russ69
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And yet it's the ASR folks are called closed minded and "dogmatists."

Oh the ironing....

Your thread on ASR was closed. Who has the open mind again? 

 

I am pleased to know that your business in high-end audiophile gear is good. I think that it is important for everyone to know this for future reference.

I'm sure this is sarcasm but unsure how you think that is funny? 

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russ69
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but has always reminded me of a bunch of parrots in a cage where one parrot has only learned what he has heard the other parrots squawking.  

The AVS forum has the same herd mentality, might even be worse than the ASR forums. At least the ASR has tons of measurements to look at.... 

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russ69
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Stop feeding the ASR Trolls. 

You are right, I've made my points, nothing more needs to be said. 

prof
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Your thread on ASR was closed. Who has the open mind again?

 

It was closed because Amir prefers his site to be about audio gear discussions rather than skirmishes over different web sites.  He'd prefer that the emphasis NOT be on attacking other web sites,  including audiogon.  Funny you are trying to spin that as close minded or dogmatic, while people here continue to attack ASR.

He's not shutting down discussions between "subjectivists" and "objectivists" on ASR: there are tons of threads on the subject, even stickied threads that are endless debates. 

So, no, sorry that spin doesn't work.

The issue is whether someone is actually open to arguments and evidence for another position, and it's clear that some here are dismissing Amir with a dogmatic foot-stomping "I Don't Have To Listen To You" attitude.

Amir is open to any claim about audio gear; he will just ask what type of evidence you have for the claim and examine it.  If it's just yet another "I Can Hear Things You Can't Measure" claim, then he's utterly right to be skeptical and frankly you can't do anything with such faith-like claims anyway.

 

 

ddd1
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The AVS forum has the same herd mentality, might even be worse than the ASR forums. At least the ASR has tons of measurements to look at.... 

You can say that again!

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