there are tons of threads on the subject, even stickied threads that are endless debates.
That alone gets my respect (not that I place any importance or value on my respect)
Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy
"Audiophiles are Snobs" Youtube features an idiot! He states, with no equivocation, that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good. He is either deaf or a liar or both!
There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review. If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public. They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better. They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance. Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.
Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?
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of course, blind listening tests being worth practically ~SQUAT~, as human hearing is a continual self controlled near unconscious moving target of a variable. To make such testing (blind) valid, first we have to put human hearing in known quantified straight jacket of a box and call it nailed to the wall as a fact in eternity. And we can’t. We can’t do that at all. Blind listening testing regimen is a great idea!... but... if all the facts in it’s attempts in being a chain of logic are not in stable reliable definition, it turns to a giant steaming pile.
What they have found is that blind listening bits have to be limited to what, 5 minutes and then no more than an hour of this, and to then correlate that across many many groups of said listening to then come to a generalized conclusion? HEY!..what do you know. That sounds a lot like the sighted listening tests of audiophiles who work at audio magazines and websites. You know, that system many many hundreds of them developed across decades of work toward trying to get it done right. |
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However, It can be an annoyance though if you happen to follow a recommendation based on a unit-test that produced amazing measurements. To then blindly buy the component based on those amazing test results. Install it, listen to it for a while, spending a lot of time - - and then to realize its nothing special at all, not musically engaging, dull, boring, flat, bleh. Then engage the return policy, pay for shipping back to retailer. More loss of time, cost. Been there and done that first hand. Tried it for the sake of learning. Wont make that mistake again. Lesson learned - yes. Don’t follow measurement reports alone. Test it in your own system, your gear, your ears, your room. You might even prefer something that does not measure nearly as well and sounds very musical to your ears. 👍
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