Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

@axo1989

Nice post of yours directly above this one.

Re the quoted one, thanks. I think I first posted there around Christmas time. I read reviews a few years prior. Didn’t find your user name but give me a clue and I’ll follow up :-) Best to avoid heavy baggage I agree.

I’ve often been treated like a "subjectivist-in-wolf’s-clothing" on ASR. But that’s usually from the small cadre of "the usual suspects. " So there is certainly some inflexible thinking going on, and some are triggered by any appeal to subjectivity or subjective descriptions.   (In fact at one point it was suggested that I should continually declare that I reviewed speakers for a little while, 20 years ago, so that everyone could view my arguments with the proper amount of suspicion and by association with the reviewer crowd my honesty should be suspect...)

As I think you've seen I am often arguing against that type of mindset just as I do about a "purely subjectivist" mindset here.

But there is a lot of common ground and agreement with many others and on the whole I find the forum agreeable.   Same with people here.

@djones51 

I have seen this stated more than once "Science is observation then measurement". It's not really how it works,  it would be "verifiable observation". Science has no interest in measuring every non verified observation. ...

Verifying observations a priori isn't scientific though. We develop theoretical knowledge by observation, hypothesis and experimentation in that order.

Initial observation is how we come up with hypothesis in the first place. If you filter observation based on pre-existing theory you can't form new hypotheses. The science is in comparing the prediction of the hypothesis to the result of the experiment.

Of course, myths survive partly because falsifying non-existent things is tricky. I'm not going too far down that rabbit hole this morning.

nonoise, your response was, as usual, strewn with strawmen.

Sometime when you really want to interact with what has been argued, we are here for conversation.

prof, sounds like something a Crusader would say as he marches to retake the holy lands. No doubt they were quite talkative about it.

All the best,
Nonoise

@nonoise and @tantejuut  That's what I have been posting here.  If it is a subtle difference, then yes, my senses can be wrong.  If it is a DRAMATIC difference, not only can my friends with golden hearing, my very educated hearing but also totally equipment uninterested friends and family members can hear the differences.  I invite friends over and they exclaim how wonderful the music sounds (meaning reproduced).  If it weren't for time limits, they would stay all day (2-3 hours is usual).  Covid killed 1.5 years of friends coming over). 

To a few posters today, everything I say is anecdotal and has no relevance because I didn't do blind A/B/X testing to determine the measured differences.   Is that what this hobby (obsession for listening to music) is about?  Maybe it is for some but not for the overwhelming majority of music listeners who are overwhelmingly not audiophiles either.  

Now I think I will begin another forum concerning manufacturers supplying measurements and testing.  WHY DON'T THEY?