I like the threads here more than most other sites. Extremely seasoned contributors who openly share their wisdom without making you feel embarrassed or shamed. I don’t find that open mindedness and support anywhere else the way I find it here.
Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy
"Audiophiles are Snobs" Youtube features an idiot! He states, with no equivocation, that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good. He is either deaf or a liar or both!
There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review. If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public. They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better. They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance. Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.
Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?
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I was one of them who got banned because of this subject. Amir seldom conducted listening test and it is no wonder every Dac sounds the same to him and his members. There is no measurements existed today for such important sound traits as soundstages. So without listening test there is no way to objectively and comprehensively assess the sound quality. For example, I have purchased two Topping Dac based on the wonderful measurements BUT return / sell both because of the lack of soundstage depth and separation. Some reviewers I trusted also commented about the Topping flagship D90SE sounds flat as well.
Same here but I won't describe him "iron fisted". Maybe people outside the third world do not understand the gravity of the issue of censoring speech / opinions but I could tell you what he has done is not acceptable. I have no regret of being banned other than feeling sorry for him. I could still discuss technical subject with folks from several smaller forums and acquire satisfactory / constructive responses. |
@juanmanuelfangioii has most advocated for censorship on these pages. The only one who spoke out against him is @prof and I. Others were very upset Amir was here. It seems censorship was just fine when it was censorship of those who disagreed.
I will put it in perspective so that some here can understand. There is an earth sciences site and astrophysics site. A flat earth believer goes to that site and claims the earth is flat. His evidence? His eyes clearly show it is flat. The members ask for more evidence. He provides none and keeps insisting his eyes don’t lie. They quickly turf him. Many of you who got turfed at ASR were flat earth followers visiting a science site. What did you expect? This has nothing to do with free speech. |
@cindyment @crymeanaudioriver not a flat earther and I also do not subscribe to the measurements tripe. Really do not care. You claim you stood up to Amir and yet here you are defending the bullocks. |
I can't stay away. The thing that makes interesting reading is, interesting writing. Writers make good reading, not engineers. Writers that use their vast vocabulary and emotions to explain what they are hearing. That is helpful, although not 100% reliable. On the other hand, the guys on ASR can't say what something sounds like until they perform double blind tests with their control sample of buddies, not very useful. That is why their subjective reviews are one or two lines of not very descriptive words. |
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