Vintage vs. New, Risk vs. Reward


There are lots of respectable merchants for used vintage high end equipment.  Having developed my chops during the golden age of hi fi, the vintage has lots of appeal. The question is about the risk of making a rather large investment in what today “measures perfectly” but what tomorrow could quickly  end up a paper weight due to age.  This versus an investment in new which may bring with it, in addition to the probability of better reliability, but also the latest in technological advancement.  I recognize that “new” and “reliability” are much different (reduced) standards than years gone by (IMO/experience).

Appreciate your highs on this topic.. 

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The very best systems I've heard were primarily "vintage," but this term is not easily defined and can be more complex than simply the age of the component.  These systems were new builds, but most of the components of the speakers and the electronics were very old, some going back to the 1930-50's.  Some of the speaker drivers were "new" but essentially replicas of very old drivers.  The new drivers were G.I.P. Laboratory (Japan) reproductions of Western Electric field coil drivers and an "updated" version of a Western Electric tweeter (the tweeters alone, without the field coil power supply are $60,000 a pair).  

My own system is sort of the same sort of mix of old and new.  The linestage is based on an old Western Electric design and utilizes Western Electric  transformers, but it is a new build with remotely controlled volume control.  My amp is also a new build based on a Western Electric amp and utilizes the original design's input and output transformers.  It also uses a lot of other vintage parts--old Aerovox capacitors, old flat resistors, and the original Western Electric 348 and 349 tubes, but the power supply transformer and choke are modern.  My speakers have have modern, but old school woofers (twin 12" alnico magnet drivers with pleated paper surrounds), a modern Fostex bullet tweeter, and a very vintage Western Electric 731b midrange compression driver and a Western Electric 12025 multicellular horn.

In certain areas of sound quality, these old school and vintage systems have not been surpassed, but, in other aspects of performance they generally don't match new speakers (bass does not go as deep and with as "tight" a sound).  

As to any kind of "risk," it again matters what kind of vintage gear one is talking about.  Old tube gear is quite low in risk to invest in because all of it can be repaired easily and maintained for a very long time.  That is not often the case with solid state gear that is 20 years old and older--some replacement transistors and chips are almost impossible to find and people who can diagnose and repair complex solid state gear are hard to find.  A lot of vintage tube gear has been pretty much depreciated to the point where they may no longer lose value over time.  Some such gear actually appreciates in value; the Western Electric parts I own only keep going up in price, and some of it quite dramatically.

Vintage amplification electronics work best when tube based. Old, transistorized equipment is a higher risk in my estimation.

Most of the posts here are regarding vintage electronics. I would like to ask about speakers. For instance ADS made some excellent speakers in their "L" series starting in the late 1970s through the 1980s.

But I question the "value" proposition. For instance, the L620 Mark III sold in 1982 brand new cost about $400/pair. Allowing for inflation this value today is about $1200. Sellers on Reverb dot com are asking $1000 + $250 shipping for these. That equals $1250, more than the value when they were NEW!

Sorry, but that seems crazy for an electro-mechanical device that is 40 years old has no warranty, and "used" replacement parts availability and quality are questionable.

I know, I know, the "value" of something can only be assessed by what a buyer is willing to pay. If someone is willing to pay that much for them, then I guess they are indeed "worth" it - at least to that buyer.

But really, I was curious if anyone on this forum think the speakers they are buying today, in 2022, could be sold 40 years from now at their original value? Curious.

I mean, if someone bought these new in 1982 and sold them in 1992 to "upgrade", I can bet you they took a big haircut on them and didn’t get $400 plus the inflationary increases for them.

I really don’t care when something was built. The sound is what matters. 
Like many of you here, I’ve had an embarrassing amount of gear over the years and most of it ‘high end’. I can’t believe what I listen to now.  It’s all vintage and the sound is so good. Servicing is easy, and inexpensive when compared to a new purchase. 

But it’s really whatever makes one happy,  and what makes enjoy the music a joy to listen too. So, for me that’s vintage gear.

N.