System that sounds so real it is easy to mistaken it is not live


My current stereo system consists of Oracle turntable with SME IV tonearm, Dynavector XV cartridge feeding Manley Steelhead and two Snappers monoblocks  running 15" Tannoy Super Gold Monitors. Half of vinyl records are 45 RMP and were purchased new from Blue Note, AP, MoFI, IMPEX and some others. While some records play better than others none of them make my system sound as good as a live band I happened to see yesterday right on a street. The musicians played at the front of outdoor restaurant. There was a bass guitar, a drummer, a keyboard and a singer. The electric bass guitar was connected to some portable floor speaker and drums were not amplified. The sound of this live music, the sharpness and punch of it, the sound of real drums, the cymbals, the deepness, thunder-like sound of bass guitar coming from probably $500 dollars speaker was simply mind blowing. There is a lot of audiophile gear out there. Some sound better than others. Have you ever listened to a stereo system that produced a sound that would make you believe it was a real live music or live band performance at front of you?

 

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So that takes us down a different road of inquiry. A never ending contentious one. We can all agree that sometimes the live experience is not so great, because of room acoustics, ambient noise, noisy audience, bad amplification, etc but live instruments don’t lose their dynamics, even then. I was more responding to Mijostyn’s post advocating digital intervention, to artificially flatten the frequency response in the listening room, and enormous woofers (the way I think of the dynamics of live music has little to do with thunderous bass). I do agree with him that crossovers are often the enemy of verisimilitude.

Not yet. If you don’t go out and listen to live music for a while you can fool yourself into believing your system comes close until you go see a show. Then it’s back to reality unfortunately. Personally I am not sure if I would want that in my home as I find most concerts leave me with strained hearing.

The types of sounds playing through the stereo are usually a dead give away that it's the stereo. I don't have anybody in my house that's a great musician, or who can make a sound in my house sound like it was recorded in another acoustic space. Those recordings that have more pedestrian sounds like people simply talking, and were recorded in a space with a similar acoustic to my own, those have scared me a few times. One time I remember was when the system was on but I didn't know it, and a voice suddenly came over the speakers out of the blue. It gave me quite a shock. Another case was on headphones, of all things. I was listening to outtakes between tracks and in the recording some guy was laughing in the back ground. It sounded just like my friend's cackle and I got the impression he was somehow in the house when I thought I was alone in my house in Oregon and he was supposed to be in Florida with his girlfriend! 

Dispersion characteristics of real instruments tend to be very different than speakers, and that can be a giveaway. I read that Dunlavy tested his speakers in an anechoic chamber - on axis. He could get the speaker to fool someone in that situation so they couldn't tell if it was the real instrument playing in the anechoic space, or the speaker. Once you have a live acoustic space of moderate size it can be harder to fool someone in a blind test.  A drum kit played in a living room will create an intensity and impactful force of sound that I don't think any stereo speaker set can reproduce in that same space - and that's probably a good thing.  Possibly an array of speakers ready made just for the purpose could do it. 

NO! If anyone thinks recorded sound is superior to live sound(not amplified live sound) then that’s an oxymoron. They are saying they don’t like live sound(which is of course the standard simply by its very nature), that they prefer colorations which is their valid choice but it’s not real. I can hear Gordon Holt turning in his grave.

As I said in my post, I heard a concert recently that was live but was inferior to what I can hear on my stereo.

What is "real"? What a slippery hook on which to hang an aesthetic discussion of what makes something sound significant.

Wouldn’t we agree that a stereo that produces an intimate, detailed, textured sound of an oboe sounds more like an oboe -- more "real" if you wish -- than how one sounds at distance, off axis, in a church with less than great acoustics? If the latter one has some "live" quality that you prize, would you prefer a stereo that produces *that* than the one which is more significant sounding but lacks that "live" quality? 

In this example, the recording of the oboe has more presence, tonality, emotion, detail, and punch than the one heard live. So why wouldn’t the presence of all those qualities -- plus the emotion -- add up to greater "reality" where "reality" is best understood as "significance"? In my view, it does.