Vandersteen Forum

I have no issue with the OP and Richard didn't either.  Richard has zero problem with anyone who wants to change his designs by installing other drivers or guys who want to rip the speakers down and take off teh socks and poles and paint them black etc...

He was very specific about that as folks own them and can do whatever they want to with them.  The issue I have is when folks modify someones design, you shouldn't start posting how you don't like them etc.. if you do, please let people know that they aren't really a Vandersteen speaker (or add any other product) anymore.  I feel that's fair.

You just got very defensive quickly when I told you he was the designer and you kept asking who the engineer was. That was answered prior and you just went on a rant about the designer not being an engineer.  

Other posters from that board have already make salient points about your posting.  We did try to help you as we try to help everyone (Richard included) and you wanted nothing of it or you would have gone to the other threads where all your questions had already been asked and answered. You didn't come off as genuine as all you kept posted about was an associates degree in engineering (although I believe you made it seem like it was a 4 year degree) adn then telling us all more than a couple of times how you are a spine surgeon.  You then always say how that doesn't matter.  I COMPLETELY agree with you. It DOESN'T....  

You are the first person that's ever had a post taken down and also the first to be banned.  If you were serious about your questions and really wanted help getting your very old and used speakers into true Vandersteen working order (to save the time and phase correctness that we Vandersteen owners loves and why we come off as cultish), you would have done that, but as I said, you didn't even try to take the kind help that we all tried to share.

I'm not surprised that you immediately came to Audiogon to try and get folks to support you.  I hope and pray that you are as honorable as you claim and tell anyone looking to buy yoru speakers that you share the true condition of the speakers and don't take advantage of someone the way you may or may not have been taken advantage of (you did overpay for them by a lot and when Richard was honest with you, that's when tenor of your posts changed. I've known Richard since the early 80's and he's as honest as it gets in this business and he's also very direct.  It does turn off many folks, but I personally love that about him. I wish more in audio were as honest as he is.

I'm glad you found a pair of B&W and I honestly hope you paid a fair price and live with them forever.  IT's all about the music and having fun with it.  

Enjoy the music.

so there!!

Hey tomic601, re:

God, i hope my wife doesn’t read this thread, i’m not even close to point five $ M

Well get busy, man! 😂 Another 7+7 rig for SoCal!

I've owned B&W 802 Matrix Series 3 for 20 some years.  Always wanted Wilson Watt Puppies but after reading this article a lot of the engineering Richard Vandersteen did in the 70's and 80's seems to indicate that he was ahead of the times.  Listening to the "brightness" of the B&W's or Wilson's sounds sweet but my goal is to hear the same sound as produced in the studio.  From an engineering standpoint Richard has addressed many of the engineering issues that cloud sound reproduction.  I've listened to Vandersteen's a little bit and still have not decided on Vandersteen Quatro Wood CT's or Wilson Watt Puppies.

SoundStage-Richard-Vandersteen.pdf (troelsgravesen.dk) 

I was trying to answer a question on that forum and the moderator @ctsooner blocked my posting privileges indefinitely.

This meant I could not ask him what the problem was.

I am very careful to not violate forum rules on any site and I know I didn’t on this one as well.

Since he is active on this form, now I can. The topic to which I was responding had to do with how THD affected ’timing errors’.

SO I guess the question is, at what point does the THD get so low that the timing errors it’s adding are no longer relevant.

To which I responded:

What is meant by ’timing errors’ in this post?

This exchange can be found at https://forum.vandersteen.com/topic/705-why-zero-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=9369

You have to scroll to see my response.

This is because THD has nothing to do with ’timing errors’; but I really didn’t know what the poster meant by that, so I asked for clarification.

Richard has posted on that forum that amps with zero feedback have less timing errors. But what is meant by that was not defined. Anyone familiar with filter theory knows that phase shift affects the amplifier at its extremes of bandwidth since essentially the stray capacitance and the like that rolls off the bandwidth is acting as a filter, usually one of 6dB/octave. If you look at the input vs the output of the amp on an oscilloscope, the output will appear to be delayed in the region of the phase shift. Is this what Richard was talking about?

I find it really odd that I got suspended on that account but maybe it was something else; however the email I got seemed to suggest that my question was the problem.

Maybe ctsooner could elaborate?