Question About Capacitor Upgrade in Tube Amp


Hi,

I am preparing to do a coupling capacitor upgrade on a recently purchased tube integrated amp. The two 0.22uF on the preamp tubes are fairly straight forward. But I noticed another similar model 0.33uF cap on the large filter capacitor for the B+ supply that is installed across the hot lead to ground.

Does this cap on the B+ just block high frequency noise from the power supply or does it have any effect on the amp tone? Is there any reason to "upgrade" this cap?

I know it may be hard to tell exactly what is going on without a schematic.

Also any recommendations on a good cap to use in the upgrade of the coupling caps? I was looking at Mundorf SilverGoldOil for the quality at not too crazy a price. The amp already sounds good but lacks a little clarity that I think a coupling cap swap will help with. It is SET 300B amp.

Thank you!

 

calieng

@alexberger 

Yes the Mundorfs seemed to be a best bang for the buck. I found an online dealer selling them around $30-$40 each depending on the value for SGO Supremes.

And while the Willsenton at around $900 plus shipping might seem to be a cheap amp compared to other equipment discussed on here I do have to say that it sounds on a completely higher level than my Luxman or Naim soild state amps when paired with the Forte IV speakers. Like sitting in the front row of a jazz club. The music surrounds you and you can pick out the location of all the instruments. Mind you that is with Lumin U1 and Denafrips Venus II front end.

I firmly believe that we should support products from USA, UK, and others as opposed to from some other locations with questionable governments but if you are looking at buying products like Line Magnetic, PrimaLuna, Cayin, Icon Audio....The Willsenton and Muzishare can also be considered from the same factories and for less than half the price. Maybe just benefiting from a few capacitor upgrades as I have done.

People should also be aware that dealers from this country of origin can be pretty sketchy so for some the extra cost of a USA based dealer with the other brands is well worth it....but that is another discussion entirely.

And while the Willsenton at around $900 plus shipping might seem to be a cheap amp compared to other equipment discussed on here I do have to say that it sounds on a completely higher level than my Luxman or Naim soild state amps when paired with the Forte IV speakers. Like sitting in the front row of a jazz club. The music surrounds you and you can pick out the location of all the instruments.

I don’t doubt this observation at all. SET if properly implemented will connect you with the core of the music. Exceptional naturalness and realism  in my listening experience.

Charles

there was an improvement in frequency response and lower distortion replacing the cheap factory caps with one of better and different material construction.

Did you measure the C or look up the ESR and ESL of the caps or just read the value printed on the schematics / old cap?

Did you measure the frequency response, distortion, phase shift, transient response, etc. or just listen?

@calieng 

Does anyone know how the power supply bypass capacitor effects high end frequency response?

Capacitors have properties Capacitance, Equivalent Series Resistance [ERS] and Equivalent Series Inductance [ESL], all of which are frequency dependent. Dielectrics, foils, leads and geometry affect the frequency response of these properties. At some frequency the combination of these properties will make the system self-resonant. Hence a band limited digital system may exhibit different response when fed by a disc system with much higher bandwidth.

Most think the capacitors just filter the DC from the rectifiers. However, current flows in @ 60/120Hz [50/100Hz] and out of the capacitor bank @ DC to many kHz.

Add in additional effects of construction, circuit design, wiring, printed or otherwise, program, level, related equipment, environmental conditions and universality approaches ZERO.

The expectation that the sonic effect in one device will translate to all others is pure fantasy.

The expectation that the sonic effect in one device will translate to all others is pure fantasy

Yet experienced listeners who try better regarded capacitors report consistently of improved sound quality. I don’t believe that this is coincidence. Upgrading coupling capacitors will far more often than not improve sonic performance. I believe what they say they hear.

Charles

Upgrading capacitors is a no-brainer. Ditto resistors, wire, tubes, sockets, transformers, connectors, layout, etc. 

Expecting 'warmer mids' or 'silky highs' when installing Caps-4-Bux or any other component change in myriad divers applications is hubris.

The lack of rigor in accommodating environmental and CBLF changes negate generalized comments.