Question About Capacitor Upgrade in Tube Amp


Hi,

I am preparing to do a coupling capacitor upgrade on a recently purchased tube integrated amp. The two 0.22uF on the preamp tubes are fairly straight forward. But I noticed another similar model 0.33uF cap on the large filter capacitor for the B+ supply that is installed across the hot lead to ground.

Does this cap on the B+ just block high frequency noise from the power supply or does it have any effect on the amp tone? Is there any reason to "upgrade" this cap?

I know it may be hard to tell exactly what is going on without a schematic.

Also any recommendations on a good cap to use in the upgrade of the coupling caps? I was looking at Mundorf SilverGoldOil for the quality at not too crazy a price. The amp already sounds good but lacks a little clarity that I think a coupling cap swap will help with. It is SET 300B amp.

Thank you!

 

calieng

there was an improvement in frequency response and lower distortion replacing the cheap factory caps with one of better and different material construction.

Did you measure the C or look up the ESR and ESL of the caps or just read the value printed on the schematics / old cap?

Did you measure the frequency response, distortion, phase shift, transient response, etc. or just listen?

@calieng 

Does anyone know how the power supply bypass capacitor effects high end frequency response?

Capacitors have properties Capacitance, Equivalent Series Resistance [ERS] and Equivalent Series Inductance [ESL], all of which are frequency dependent. Dielectrics, foils, leads and geometry affect the frequency response of these properties. At some frequency the combination of these properties will make the system self-resonant. Hence a band limited digital system may exhibit different response when fed by a disc system with much higher bandwidth.

Most think the capacitors just filter the DC from the rectifiers. However, current flows in @ 60/120Hz [50/100Hz] and out of the capacitor bank @ DC to many kHz.

Add in additional effects of construction, circuit design, wiring, printed or otherwise, program, level, related equipment, environmental conditions and universality approaches ZERO.

The expectation that the sonic effect in one device will translate to all others is pure fantasy.

The expectation that the sonic effect in one device will translate to all others is pure fantasy

Yet experienced listeners who try better regarded capacitors report consistently of improved sound quality. I don’t believe that this is coincidence. Upgrading coupling capacitors will far more often than not improve sonic performance. I believe what they say they hear.

Charles

Upgrading capacitors is a no-brainer. Ditto resistors, wire, tubes, sockets, transformers, connectors, layout, etc. 

Expecting 'warmer mids' or 'silky highs' when installing Caps-4-Bux or any other component change in myriad divers applications is hubris.

The lack of rigor in accommodating environmental and CBLF changes negate generalized comments.

 

Capacitors of different construction types will have different sonic properties due to a number of factors (see below).

So as I understand it the properties of a silvergold in oil foil cap will be different than a copper foil in bees wax as they are impacted by voltage, current, and temperature.

As most with basic electrical circuit understanding would confirm, you can change the bass and treble response of a circuit by altering the capacitor value of coupling caps and cathode caps etc. Change from 0.1uF to 0.047uF coupling cap for example will reduce bass response.

So for just one specific example if the TC (temperature coefficient) of SGO Supreme cap of 0.22uF is different than Bees Wax cap of 0.22uF, then under operating temperatures in a hot tube amplifier their actual capacitance may be different and hence their bass and treble response will be different. How much of an impact that actually has or all the factors combined has is up to your ears to say. 

 

Some key properties of capacitors:

 

  1. Nominal Capacitance (C). Capacitance refers to the amount of electrical energy a capacitor can store within its electromagnetic field. This value is represented in the unit Farad, including pico-Farads (pF), nano-Farads (nF), and micro-Farads (µF or sometimes uF for simplicity). Fixed capacitors have a specific capacitance that cannot be adjusted. Variable capacitors can be modified to achieve a desired capacitance within the available range of that capacitor.
  2. Working Voltage (WV). The working voltage is the maximum amount of voltage a capacitor can receive continuously without damage or failure. Voltage can be DC (direct current) or AC (alternating current). The WV printed on the capacitor itself will typically refer to the DC rather than AC. The WV is affected by temperature, as the value listed only applies within a specific temperature range. Extreme heat or cold may affect the working voltage a capacitor can withstand.
  3. Tolerance (±%). The capacitance value listed for a capacitor can sometimes vary more or less. The value can only vary by a certain range to be accepted, which is its tolerance. Tolerance can vary anywhere from real low tolerance like 1% all the way up to part with a -20% to +80% tolerance. Common tolerance values are 5%, 10% and 20%, this of course varies based on the type of capacitor it is. Capacitors are ranked in quality based on their tolerance. The lower the tolerance, the closer the actual capacitance is to the value listed by the manufacturer, thus the higher the quality of the capacitor (and oftentimes more expensive as well).
  4. Leakage Current. A capacitor contains a non-conductive material known as a dielectric. The dielectric will typically allow a small amount of electricity through, referred to as leaking. Leaking happens because of the strong electromagnetic field that exists between the plates when voltage is applied. Extremely low leakage in a capacitor, such as in a film or foil type, is said to have a high “insulation resistance” (Rp). High leakage, which is more typical in electrolytic capacitors, is referred to as “leakage current.”
  5. Working Temperature (T). Temperature affects a capacitor’s ability to store electrical energy. For example, extremely high temperatures can cause a liquid electrolyte in an electrolytic converter to evaporate and change the capacitance. In contrast, extremely cold temperatures could cause liquid or gel electrolyte to freeze and impact its capacitance.
  6. Temperature Coefficient (TC). The temperature coefficient measures the change in capacitance that could occur within a particular temperature range. As temperatures rise, some capacitors increase their capacitance values and are considered Class 2 capacitors, such as this one GRM155R71C104KA88D, and others decrease their capacitance value. Capacitors that are able to maintain their capacitance within a temperature range are considered to be Class 1, like this one CC0402JRNPO9BN101. The importance of temperature when it comes to capacitance depends on the job at hand. If you know that temperature may be an issue, the TC is an important characteristic to be aware of.
  7. Polarization. This refers to the charge of the plates within a capacitor. In most capacitors there is a positive end and a negative end, similar to a battery. When applying voltage it is necessary to match positive voltage with a positive terminal, and negative voltage with a negative terminal. Incorrect polarization can lead to severe damage within the capacitor and throughout the circuit and device.
  8. Equivalent Series Resistance (ESR). This is a term for the total resistance of every part of a capacitor that resists, rather than conducts, electric current. It includes the resistance of the plates, the dielectric, the terminal leads, and the connections to the dielectric. ESR is the sum of all of these, measured within a specific frequency and temperature. This determines energy loss for a capacitor.

 

You ask, "Does anyone know how the power supply bypass capacitor effects high end frequency response?"

Maybe. The component may sound smoother, with a less etched treble if the power is cleaned up with such a capacitor. This etched treble is distortion which has been removed. Some who are used to digital may not like the effect.