Tube CDP/DAC sound: too "refined"?

Chris, you are quite right, those " minute irregularities " and some dirt and noise belong to live music and neccessarily have to be reproduced if the facsimile of the thing is to be believable. Only, you find a lack of that both in SS as well as tube gear, as was quite rightly pointed out above. Look up the concept of PRAT in these pages if you like and you'll see that this is an old topic, which has been discussed many times.
Cheers,
Detlof

the lack of smoothness and the texture that has been discussed so far would probably be perceived as unpleasantness. why must one suffer ?

it is better to enjoy the
sound" whatever it is than worrying about texture and smoothness. after all, a stereo stsreo is for entertainment. if you want realism, listen to live music.

You are 100 % right about the "just enjoy the music, don't worry about some restrictions because they are not worth to worry about" thing. But you have also to admit that when an audio component introduces an additive coloration this could be more annoying than an subtractive one. To my overly smooth presentation is a form of additive coloration (at least it is an artificial rendering of the real life situation).

Chris

Seems we are trying to find a balance between too full and too thin. Too full and the sound looses transient information and some meaningful musical detail. This can cause music to sound a little boring and the listener looses interest - the mind wanders. Too thin and the leading edge of transients become too prominent. That causes listening fatigue and makes the listener want to turn the music off. Live music in good listening spaces gets that balance dead-on and right in the middle of the note. Stereo systems seem to always be either somewhat in front or underneath the note.

When music sounds too "smooth" I think we are missing meaningful transients and detail. However, go to far to the other side (overly prominent transients) and we gets too much etch and non-musical detail.

We are all looking for that perfect balance and everyone has a different point in that balance that sounds right to them. I find the traditional "French" sound to be too lean but also find the traditional "British" sound to be too full. Hmmm...

By the way, I can't remember how this dilemma related to the old "East coast" "West coast" sound of the 60s and 70s - Advent vs. JBL. I think the East coats was smooth and the West coast was etched...I think.

Well with my experience, most TUbe Preamps, or DIGITAL Tube based components as well have actually had more detail, and sometimes even more forward and strong so to speak.. SAme with many phono stages, a lot of the time the tubes seem to compress less, or have even more outright clarity. There are no doubt some tubes that are "Soft" sounding, sometimes its the tubes themselves, sometimes the Design of the circuit they are in.