room size question.

@bshaw 

pm or call me if you want to discuss ,

I see that you moved the speakers from 36" to 30" from the front wall , Did you hear any improvement ?  

Questions , are you leveling your speakers , have you tried tube rolling and what CDs or songs do you use for evaluating ?

Rob

@vair68robert 

I see that you moved the speakers from 36" to 30" from the front wall , Did you hear any improvement ?  

not really.     sounds about the same as it did before i moved them.

had a spare set of tubes, but one tube went bad....so just down to the one pair.

leveling speakers ?      please explain .

cd's :   

Dire Straits   On Every Street         few good tracks on that cd

Mark Knopfler :   Sailing to Philadelphia 

Bonnie Raitt :  Longing in Their Hearts

Alice in Chains : MTV unplugged.

i may pm you....

"i will try to move the speakers out more and see what happens....but kinda limited as the speaker cables are only 8 ft."

starting positioning yourself right between the two speakers and slowly moving back is an option too. Not the same and your problem seems to persist regardless what you are trying that I also think you may as well train your ears more to notice the soundstage (with this setup - I don't doubt you have awesome hearing). That’s the main difference between audiophiles and regular folks, we have the same ears but we allow our brain to notice the nuances. Soundstage, after all, is an illusion or a contract between the source and your perception that you can imagine the space around you with the music’s components spread out.
if I go to a concert, I don’t hear a soundstage, most of the time I just try not to go deaf with my sensitive ears,

@russ69

I have not achieved a great soundstage without some toe-in. Try crossing just in front or just behind your ears. I’d also like to know if your tweeters are at ear level. Finally I would space out a little wider if you can. I like that you have a low rack, that helps. I’m not sure you listed your gear but if you are using, for example, a low level receiver, you can’t get much out of something like that. You are on the right path, keep working.

i get that toe in plays a part....but if toe in sounds terrible, which i have said it does, then why toe them in ?

if i go wider, then it just sounds like 2 speakers playing and have no center imagining at all.

i would say tweeters are at ear level.

i have listed my gear, but will list it again

preamp : aric audio transcend

amp : innersound esl 300

cd player : Ayre cx7

@bshaw 

Alot suggested to have a your speaker toe in but have you consider how well you room is treated? The reason I mention treated room is because I have similar room dimensions as yours and before I thought with all the furniture and equipment in it that is sounded great. After audio measurement of my room, I had issues. I could get a decent image and soundstage but in a small room you can still get echo in the room just not much decay as bigger rooms.  I am not saying your room is the culprit but anaylizing and correcting acoustical problem can mask a solution.