Is Imaging Worth Chasing?


Man, am I going to be torn apart for this. But I says what I says and I mean what I says.

Here’s a long term trend I’ve noticed in the audio press. Specs that used to be front and center in equipment reviews have essentially disappeared. Total harmonic distortion, for instance. Twenty years ago, THD was the start and end of the evaluation of any amplifier. Well, maybe power, first. Then THD. Armed with those two numbers, shopping was safe and easy.

The explanation for the disappearance is not hard to figure. Designers got so good in those categories that the numbers became meaningless. Today, most every amp on the shelf has disappearingly low distortion. Comparing .00001 to .000001 is a fool’s errand and both the writers and the readers know it. Power got cheap, even before Class D came along to make it even cheaper. Anyone who tries bragging about his 100 watts will be laughed out of the audio club.

Stereophile still needed to fill it’s pages and audiophiles still needed things to argue about so, into the void, stepped imaging. Reviewers go on and on about imaging. And within the umbrella of imaging, they write separately about the images height, width, and depth. “I closed my eyes and I could see a rock solid picture of the violas behind the violins.” “The soundstage extended far beyond the width of the speakers.” And on and on.

Now, most everyone who will read this knows more about audio equipment than me. But I know music. I know how to listen. And the number of times that I’ve seen imaging, that I’ve seen an imaginary soundstage before me, can be counted on my fingers. Maybe the fingers of one hand.

My speakers are 5-6 feet apart. I don’t have a listening chair qua listening chair but I’m usually 8-9 feet back. (This configuration is driven by many variables but sound quality is probably third on the list.) Not a terrible set-up, is my guess from reading lots of speaker placement articles. And God knows that, within the limited space available to me, I have spent enough time on getting those speakers just right. Plus, my LS50s are supposed to be imaging demons.

I’ve talked to people about this, including some people who work at high-end audio stores. Most of them commiserate. It’s a problem, they said. “It usually only happens with acoustic music,” most of them said. Strike one. My diet of indie rock and contemporary jazz doesn’t have much of that. “You’ve got to have your chair set up just right. And you’ve got to hold your head in just the right place.” Strike two. Who wants to do that?

(Most of the people reading this forum, probably. But I can’t think of any time or purpose for which I’ve held my head in a vise-like grip like that.)

It happens, every now and then. For some reason, I was once right up next to my speakers. Lots of direct sound, less reflections. “The Name Of This Band Is Talking Heads” was playing. And I literally gave a start because David Byrne was standing on the coffee table. Cool.

But, generally speaking, imaging is something I only read about. And if that little bit of imaging is the dividend of dropping more money into my system, I’m not sure that I want to deposit into that account.

I think that I still have a few steps to take that will pay benefits other than imaging. But maybe the high-end is not for me.

paul6002

I value transparency far more than imaging.  Couple of reasons.

First, I don't believe the hyper-etched imaging of close miked music to be at all realistic or transparent.  Quite the opposite.  Listening to live acoustic performances the "imaging" is actually pretty soft and laid back.

I also don't particularly think high jump-factor speakers are "realistic" unless you are are on the stage itself. 

@secretguy +1

@frogman +1

That said, if you’re not satisfied with your sound, speakers are the most efficient route to go. Good speakers will have both full robust and satisfying sound - the best also being non-fatiguing, not an exaggerated treble - AND have good to great imaging as well. It’s not a one-or-the-other situation. Even my modest old Epi 100s provide good realistic imaging as well as rich and non-fatiguing sound quality. My new Heresy IV are awesome for the rich and lively, dynamic sound, but they also have good imaging too and are very enjoyable...

Some people make what I believe is a mistake when they go for "imaging is everything" ... especially if that imaging is restricted to a narrow "sweet spot" in some lonely listening room. What about fullness, dynamism, real-music-ness...? What about the livability factor, being able to enjoy the sound without being tethered to one exact spot or listening position. Actually go to a live music show, which is as real as it gets, and are you obsessing over imaging, or are you enjoying the OVERALL presentation, like erik_squires just pointed out?

Just be careful if you do start to audition that you don’t mistake a pronounced treble end as equaling "imaging"... it’s an easy error to make. Go for rich speakers that you’d want to live with in your own environment. (this is why I like the Epi and Heresy that I mentioned... they’re really easy to live with, sound good from anywhere in the room, and then when I do want to sit in the sweet spot with the lights low, they accommodate that ALSO...)

Question…. You are at the symphony… 5th row center… you close your eyes… can you distinctly locate 1. all of the instruments  2.  some of the instruments  3. all of the instrument sections  4.  some of the instrument sections  5. it sounds great but it all blends together except maybe percussion. 
 

Answer this and you will know how important imaging is to you as you may be able to discern distinct separation better than most. 

**** Imaging is everything. ****

Wow! Not even close.

Without imaging, you just have a sound reinforcement system, not a music reproduction system. IMHO.

+1 @corelli 

​​​​And for @paul6002 

It's not about the equipment, it is all about the room for getting unbelievable imaging. I can literally place any instruments in their specific place without even trying. I mean they can be a foot away from eachother or totally across the room, up and down, forward or more in the background, you name it. It's actually incredible if you pay attention to it, but by now I often just dive into the music and I take all those different sound placements for granted. Bottom line is do not try to achieve this type of imaging with equipment, only the proper room and acoustics will get you there.