Tonearms without anti-skate, damage to records?


I am picking up a pivoted tonearm without any provision for bias (anti-skate) force. I would appreciate opinons on if using this arm can damage my records or phono cartridge due to the lack of this feature. Thanks.

Marty
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fsonic, Ordinarily, I would totally agree with you. You are very correct to ask for scientific evidence to support any of the claims made regarding audio as a hobby, especially vinyl. There are so many erroneous but commonly held beliefs that persist just because of hearsay. BUT in this case, the weight of the circumstantial evidence in favor of using at least some anti-skate with a pivoted tonearm is SO overwhelming as to be convincing, at least good enough for me. Yes, the magnitude of AS required to fully compensate for the skating force at any moment in time on one LP vs another is not close to being a constant. That does not mean there is no benefit. Likewise, there probably is a negative consequence of using too much AS. Such is life.

But are you also protesting the crude nature of most AS devices on most tonearms? You ought to see the AS device on my Kenwood L07J tonearm, the arm that is an integral part of the Kenwood L07D TT, wouldn’t work on any other turntable but was given its own model name by Kenwood. It uses a nylon monofilament, but there is no dangling weight. The force is applied from the left side of the arm pillar (between pivot and spindle) but wraps around to the rear of the bearing pillar so as to pull the bearing housing forward (toward the front of the TT), therefore applying a force that rotates the pivot counter-clockwise, so the arm is pulled away from the spindle. The AS force is supplied by a weight that rides on a strut; the monofilament wraps around the bottom of the strut, riding on pulleys. The magnitude of the AS is adjusted by moving the weight with respect to the pivot point of the strut on which it rides. Thus no dangling weight.

What about damage to the cantilever as well as the record groove.

Better off with a tangential tracking arm, no skating forces, no groove damage and no damage to the cantilever suspension from incorrect antiskate application.

 

I like the antiskate on my Victor UA-7045 and UA-7082 tonearms. There is a knob on the top with numbers that alters the tension on a hair spring. AS as well as VTA is set on the fly if you wish. Extremely well engineered and built.

I agree with others on here and dislike the weight on a string. 

 

BillWojo

antiskate delema....there is no such thing as correcting it for the entire record side.  There will be one spot on the disc where it will be zero and will increase or decrease as the record has or will transit the disc.  There are some arms where the 0 point can be set where the owner wants it (VPI), but the error is small no matter.  Track the arm with a bit more VTF so that damage/distortion is lessened.

Pivoted Arm: Everything's Relative.

Anti-Skate Not Perfect, true, just get it basically correct, and check it from time to time. Blank side LP method is inexpensive, easy to 'see', and quick. I check it back and forth in the two NULL point locations (general, not specific or measured), make the best choice, done. 

Then, Listen. refine if needed.