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The "Very Best Record Cleaning Formulation"

The "Very Best Record Cleaning Formulation"

 

I am providing this formulation for all who are interested in the very best, and can be proven and demonstrated to be the "Very Best". It can easily be made from available ingredients. On the surface, it appears to be very simple. However, it is based on extensive complex chemistry along with precise mathematical calculations and verifiable data.

 

You may use it with absolute confidence and be truly assured that it is beyond doubt the "Very Best". You may use it for your personal needs. Or, archival entities may use it for their purposes with confidence. Or, you may choose to start an enterprise that makes and packages quantities as either a "ready-to-use" or a "Semi-concentrated" version for sale and distribution knowing that nothing better exists. You have my blessings and encouragement with one condition. And, that is, that the pricing represents a "fair margin", and, not an obscene gouging, typical for such products.

 

Initially, I had prepared a presentation that briefly introduced myself, and provided the thought processes, design parameters, and the necessary basics of chemistry, physics, and mathematics to assure you and allow you to be absolutely confident in this formulation. I made a considerable effort to keep it as simple, but, also as thorough enough to achieve this confidence. However, that presentation entailed 5,239 words, typical of such a requirement, however, unacceptable in length by this website forum.

 

I have no option other than to offer the formulation as a 100% parts by weight version suitable to produce 1 Kilogram of the cleaner, and, invite you to question me about any aspect of the formulation.

 

Professionally, I am a Chemist, more specifically a Polyurethane Chemist. I have a Doctorate in Chemistry as well as two other Doctorates and a M.B.A.. I held prominent positions in significant corporations before being encouraged to start our (wife and I) manufacturing facility servicing those I previously worked for. We started, owned, and fully operated this business. We eventually obtained 85+% Market Share in our sector in Medical, Automotive, Sporting Goods, and Footwear areas before retirement.

 

The Audio Industry is extremely technical and many brilliant minds have contributed their talents over the decades in order that we may enjoy music today as we choose. Like many other technical industries, those of lesser minds and values invade the arena with their "magical" inspired revelations and offer their "magical" ingredients and items to all at extremely high prices. They promise that if only we are willing to part with our money - they can provide these items to you that make your audio system sound as if the orchestra, or vocalist, is in your room with you. And, after all, "magical items" must be expensive, otherwise, they would not be "magical".

 

This disturbs me enormously, and, it is for such reasons, I feel compelled to provide realistic and truthful information that conforms to basic Engineering, Chemistry, Physics, and Mathematical Principals in those areas with which I am very knowledgeable and familiar.

 

          "Ultimate Record Cleaner Solution"

 

   Ingredient                                          Amount by Weight (Grams)

 

Distilled Water                                     779.962

 

Ethyl Alcohol                                       220.000

 

Tergitol 15-S-7 (Dow Chemical)            0.038  (Approx. = 2 Drops)

                                                         1,000.000

 

Important and/or Relevant Criteria

 

1.)  Distilled Water ONLY. Do not use deionized, tap, rain, or spring water. Distilled Water is readily available in most grocery stores. Check labeling to be certain that it is distilled and not deionized. The pricing is comparable.

 

2.)  Ethanol must be purchased at a "Liquor Store" or a "Liquor Control Board" that is suitable for human consumption, and the appropriate taxes must be paid. This assures that the alcohol consists of only Ethyl Alcohol and water. You need to purchase the 95+% version, also known as 180+ Proof. NOTHING ELSE is acceptable. (100% Ethyl Alcohol is not available under "normal" circumstances). Denatured alcohol from a Hardware Store or elsewhere is PROHIBITED, as well as ANY other alcohols.

 

3.)  Tergitol 15-S-7 is made by Dow and is available on the internet in small quantities from Laboratory Supply Houses such as Fisher and Advance, etc.. I have no affiliations with either Dow Chemical, or Fisher, or Advance. You MUST use Tergitol 15-S-7 ONLY. No other Tergitol product is acceptable for this designed formula, and you need to acquire the undiluted form only.

 

4.)  The above cleaner formula will result in a non-foaming (VLF) Surfactant Formulation that exhibits the following:

            Surface Tension of 28.5 dynes/centimeter @ 20 C. (68.0 F.)

            Surface Tension of 28.2 dynes/centimeter @ 25 C. (77.0 F.)

 

5.). A Surface Tension of 28.5 dynes/centimeter is Remarkable and will properly clean records of all organic soilings, and all oily substances, as well as very significant amounts of inorganic soilings.  This available Surface Tension coupled with the Azeotropic Characteristics of very rapid evaporation and spotless drying occur because of the selection of Ethyl Alcohol and the very specific concentration determined as 22.00% p.b.w., further improves the products abilities.  The "Ease-of-Use" and "Spot-Free" results are to be accepted.

 

6.). Be aware that an "ideal temperature of use" also exists for this formulation.  And, that reasonable temperature is 40 C. (104.0 F.). Further increases in temperature offers no improvement, therefore, confirming the proper use of the term "ideal". I mention this not because of of any substantial improvement, but, only to be aware of its’ existence. And, if you have a choice to utilize a room that is warmer than another, select the warmer room closer to 104.0 F. There is no need to elevate the temperature of the records or the materials. Simply be aware that 104.0 F. Is ideal.

 

If interest is expressed in this submission, I am willing to provide additional submissions regarding other materials, and, other areas of interest.  Such as"Best Contact Substance", "Best lubricants for turntables", " Better Dampening Materials" for turntables and tonearms, and, most significantly, "Best" material for "Turntable Platter/Vinyl Record Interface" usually called "Record Mats". The last item will certainly disturb many individuals and anger many suppliers.

 

Whatever I may contribute is substantiated by Science and Testing, and Verifiable. Science has no Opinions. Opinions in these matters are best reserved for those who rely on their imagination and wishful thinking.

 

Also, I have no vested interests in this Industry. Simply possess some scientific knowledge that also relates to some aspects of the Audio Area, and I am willing to share that information if requested!

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pindac
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Due to my location, I have used BASF™ Dehypon® LS 54 nonionic surfactant. as a substitute for  Tergitol 15-S-9.

I see that  Tergitol 15-S-7 is the recommended substance within this thread.

As previous experience showed it was going to be expensive to acquire Tergitol, and it is not readily available in the UK. The acquiring the alternative Dehypon came with a large proportion of monies outlaid for the assembling the materials to enable the Manual Cleaning Method to be put in place.

I would be happiest if the Dehypon was identified as being usable with the mixture being proposed by @wizzzard. Acquiring the Ethanol as per the Purity suggested, is looking relatively easy, and is available at a fair cost. 

I invested in a accurate weighing scale, and would like to know the mixture in weight of grams of Dehypon per 220 grams of Ethanol, if this is considered a mixture worthwhile producing.  

lewm
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Pindac, very often identical nonionic detergents are sold under different names, depending upon the manufacturer or patent holders. You might check to determine the chemical relationship between your preferred preparation and either tergitol S7 or S9. Maybe there is chemical identity to one or the other or maybe there are only small differences in properties that are of little consequence.

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cleeds
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mijostyn

I do not care for ultrasonic cleaning. It is messy, inconvenient and of questionable effectiveness.

US cleaning is just about all I've used after buying a Klaudio US machine. Its one-button simplicity just can't be beat, imo. Nothing could be easier or more tidy.

I think an alcohol is a very important part of a proper record cleaning formula.

That's a remarkable statement from someone who until recently insisted nothing other than a conductive sweep brush was needed to ensure a clean LP.

I can't help but wonder what contamination these LPs have accumulated that require substantial amounts of alcohol to remove.

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mijostyn
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@cleeds , I was given a large collection of 78 rpm and old LPs. In order to deal with them I had to buy a record cleaning machine and deal with the peculiarities of  of record cleaning. Had this not happened I would still be merrily plugging along with my sweep arm. 1st off, I have to qualify the alcohol comment. It is limited solely to PVC records. If you use alcohol on old 78s you will melt them. 

In the mean while I discovered that vacuum clamping generates large static charges on the bottom of the record, strong enough to jump sparks to the head shell when removing the record. In playing with cleaning solutions I stumbled into the use of ionic agents to prevent static accumulation. BAK does exactly this and the effect is lasting. 

I looked carefully at the KL Audio and  Degritter units before going the way I did. It is a mistake to air or fan dry a record. Doing so leaves whatever is in the water on the record. Reuse the water in an ultrasonic cleaner and you will wind up with a lot of garbage on the record. Filtering is not good enough because many contaminants will be in solution and will not filter out. In short you would have to buy a vacuum drying machine in addition. The Clearaudio Double Matrix Sonic Pro not only uses fresh fluid with each cleaning it actually rinses the record three times each cycle before drying and it is doing both sides at the same time. 2 minutes and the record is clean and dry both sides. It is expensive but I stumbled over an open box deal for a 20% discount. Sometimes you have to be lucky. Unfortunately, whoever opened the box put some ungodly fluid in it, unknown to me that caused the water pump to fail. Musical Surroundings asked if I though I could take it apart and sent me a new pump. I opened it up and there was white junk all through the water lines and water tank. I cleaned it all out, installed the new pump and it has been perfect ever since. I can also take it apart with my eyes closed. The pump was covered under warranty.

Sometimes life drives you in funny directions. 

The Wizzard's Formula was strikingly close to the one I landed on. It is obvious to me that he knows in detail exactly what he is talking about and I plan on incorporating some of his changes. I suspect he is of eastern European origin and culturally they are a bit on the gruff side. So am I.

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pindac
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@lewm There are two very experienced individuals now commenting on this thread.

I would like to be advised by either of these contributors, as I do intend on doing a trial between the two mixtures for a cleaning solution. The idea, that each constituent and ratio for it used in the mixture is recognised as acceptable.

It seems to me that only this type of preparation will cut it, and as long I use a repetitive cleaning method without creating cross contamination on the implements used, will be the next discipline, to offer an assurance control measures are being addressed. 

The option on the Vinyl to be cleaned can be done as two methods.

One is to purchase 2 x the same Vinyl LP as a New Item Purchase.

The other to search out 2 x same 'used' Vinyl LP and hope they have a similar timeline of usage, with being out of the protective cover for a similar period of time. This one will be very difficult to verify.

I also have Vinyl LP's that have been owned for 40ish years and have become very usable following the manual cleaning method. I do believe the PAVCR method successfully removed all residuals embedded into the LP from previous method used to carry out cleaning.

It would be interesting to learn if a change of solution, along with the same cleaning method, is able to produce a 'purification' that is perceived as being improved on the already very impressive condition achieved. Bearing in mind, after experiencing the end product of my most recent cleaning activities, I have completely abandoned the idea of a US Tank final rinse following the manual method, as I sense it can not add any further improvement, that would be audible.

 

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