Wharfedale Elysian 4 Incredible build quality and sound, but made in China.


When I walked into the shop my eyes were struck by these gorgeous looking beauties. Then I sat down and took a listen and said to myself they must cost $20000.-25000. When the dealer told me $10000. I was floored. What the hell, how can this be? Then he explained they’re made in China. I thought to myself, well if they’re who cares they look and sound fantastic.
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@kokakolia 

In an ideal world morally you may be correct.  However, businesses are a for profit enterprise.  Even increasing customer goodwill is targeted at long term increased profit.  Business should be more "morale"?  Good luck with that waste of time wishful thinking.  

@kennyc Your point of view is extremely « laissez faire » liberal. Let corporations rule. Monopoly is the goal. Corporations are here to plunder all ressources and exploit people for shareholders. This is the law. 
 

it doesn’t have to be that way in a proper democracy. You could impose company size maximums, wealth caps, progressive taxation etc… Prioritize public companies over private companies. Especially when it comes to Education, Utilities, Housing and Healthcare. I am of the opinion that large private companies suck. 

You are very on the point....

Alas! it is impossible to live without making transactions in a way or in another with big corporations... Black rock _Vanguard and the like own everything...

Big corporations are not ROOTED in any country, nor america neither in E.U.

They are psychopathic players which only want total controls and accept politicians only if they are puppets listening to their lobbying...

It is so true that traditional politic disctinctions are tag in a game without content anymore...Democracy is impossible without journalism and truthful news everybody know that... And there is none let to be which are true journalism in official medias ...

Transhumanism and corporate scientism is the plot behind the boat racings toward absolute control of humanity by them... It is not a hidden plot it is written as CLEAR road map....

Buying a low cost amplifier in China or in America to be a patriot will not change these facts...But i can understand why someone will do it for principle ...

Anyway the communist party directed China till this day ONLY because corporations and behind them Blacrock-Vanguard etc all the rich and powerful people together knowing their own interests had decided that dictatorial communism even if it is a "problem" matter less than making money by delocalization of industries all around the world and they will then benefit with this already well planned better countrol of countries by destroying their economic freedom in the name of commercial global freedom ... Forgetting that a freedom which is not rooted somewhere, in each countries, is only a name or a tag or a watchword in a plot to overcome a meaningful too much free nationalism too strong to be put on chain ...

It is already there in the British empire in 1833 when the title and traditional  appellation of  "natural philosopher" will be labelled for the future "scientist" then no more a general free thinker, but a payed specialized scientist who can be liable and submissive for some larger design by corporations ... All that had been submitted and accepted in an official  reunion of the Society for the asdvancement of science,  by among others, geologist William Wewhell and the founder of A. I. itself Charles Babbage, for the benefit of the British Empire corporate powers BEHIND the crown ....

All that against of the wishes of Goethe who see it happen and who predicted it two years before this reunion in London , in 1831 in his Faust , describing EXACTLY the hubris behind those corruptible and no more free liable "scientists" under the spell of money and power and instructed by Mephisto himself ... The natural philosopher became the "sorcerer apprentice"... Faust from a philosopher of nature became the rich payed adviser of the king  and even designed the idea behind paper money backed by debt ( the second part of Faust  play )  All that is history not delirium...And now the uncontrolled race toward A.I. at all cost for the benefit of the corporate masters drive us into incoming collective madness ...

This is exactly qwhy the chief scientist of google in A. I. Geoffrey Hinton himself, the father of the neural networks maths technology , not a secondary player, recovered his freedom and quit the "scientist slave work" for Google to speak FREELY as a phiosopher of nature and society for the "common good" about the dangers of A. I. ...

 

@kennyc Your point of view is extremely « laissez faire » liberal. Let corporations rule. Monopoly is the goal. Corporations are here to plunder all ressources and exploit people for shareholders. This is the law.

it doesn’t have to be that way in a proper democracy. You could impose company size maximums, wealth caps, progressive taxation etc… Prioritize public companies over private companies. Especially when it comes to Education, Utilities, Housing and Healthcare. I am of the opinion that large private companies suck.

@mahgister

That’s an economics, history and politics lecture I never got at university.

Quite right, despite appearances it’s not a question of us and them.

It’s no longer even the UK v the US, or the US v China, or even Pepsi v Coke, McDonalds v KFC etc.

It’s more of a question of some very big fish swallowing the smaller fish. International borders have little to do with it, and neither do monopoly regulations any more.

 

Nevertheless, today’s consumer is not compelled to buy cheaper or to pay more and buy local, but if it makes them feel better, more patriotic then they can do so.

When I bought my first amplifier, the NAD 3020, I didn’t really have that much choice. It was the only one that I could afford back then. Everything else seemed to cost quite a bit more.

It’s quite remarkable that I could today buy amplifier with all the trimmings, Bluetooth 5, remote control etc for LESS money than I paid for that NAD.

And that’s without adjusting for inflation!

 

So it’s actually gratifying that the consumer has never had as much choice as today.

Okay, it’s mainly all online nowadays...but we can no more uninvent the internet now than we can uninvent the the silicone chip or the transitor or the valve or digital audio etc.

And no amount of nostalgia or living in the past can help either.

In today’s world most of us are small fish desperately trying to swim with the irresistible tide.

I dont complain about the choices, but beware that the Hyperinflation created by the Hubris of some destroyed our choices , and the incoming created war because of total lack of conciousness can kill consumers choices too...

I am not a luddite about the computer or A. I. but we must be blind and deaf to not became conscious of the cost we will pay in freedom and in our soul life...

Why the choices of the american consumers are more costly and not so well accessible right now  , we eat too, and i dont speak about amplifiers here, and why there is a decline of the  life  span in north america with the more costly health system and the more advanced in the world ?

Saying as some that all is perfect for the time being is stay blind..

I am optimist for the next 50 years... Not for now...

 

Myself being interested only in books and music i never was so happy in all my life...The internet save me... But it does not means that all internet effect and consequences and incoming A. I. will be good...

Eliminate first corporate psychopaths and big monopoly on food energy and pharmas and heaven will come on earth... Not before...

And those who think that there is positive in these entities forget that the devil deal is plenty of positive gifts, but you pay it with your blood and soul you are put UNDER control ... And i dont say it as bible zealot say it for those who think i am a luddite bible reader...I am not...

 

So it’s actually gratifying that the consumer has never had as much choice as today.

Okay, it’s mainly all online nowadays...but we can no more uninvent the internet now than we can uninvent the the silicone chip or the transitor or the valve or digital audio etc.

And no amount of nostalgia or living in the past can help either.

In today’s world most of us are small fish desperately trying to swim with the irresistible tide.