Free air resonance


Hello all,

Is a speaker with a free air resonance of 25 hz meaningfully different from one with a free air resonance of 38 hz?

Specifically: is the one at 25 hz low enough to be in a sealed enclosure, as opposed to the one at 38 hz which most likely/definitely should be in a ported enclosure? And why?

Thank you in advance …

128x128unreceivedogma

@curiousjim 
— I am not aware that I have any control over the Velodyne crossover setting. It comes at 85HZ. I don't know where you get over 100. The Velodyne frequency response is 18-85hz. The resonant frequency is <4hz

— Yes they are great! This is a fun conversation.

@mijostyn @erik_squires 

— Altec's 620 cabinet is 18" x 26" x 40", for 9 cubic ft. Mine is 18 x 26 x 38, with a 2" base

— The diameter of the driver frame is 15.2", so 18" leaves little room. Otherwise, I am trying to visualize your cabinet design. I guess I would have to draw it out first, but it seems quite ambitious: not easy to execute. 

— My latest thinking is to start at the beginning. I've had the 604Cs for 40 years, the D for 25 years. They haven't been re-coned in almost 10 years. They are all over 60 years old. It might be wise to send them to Great Plains to get them re-magnetized and refurbished. Then fool with the cabinet.

I forgot to mention this but honestly DIYaudio is a much better place for speaker building questions than Audiogon.  Lots of builders with first hand experience into all sorts of designs. 

Best of luck,

 

Erik

@unreceivedogma , That is exactly the point. You want as little baffle showing as possible. I just finished building new subwoofers, They are 30 inch long, 15" in diameter with a 12" driver stuck in both ends. The construct is easy. I did it for different reasons as subwoofers do not image. 

@unreceivedogma 

Sorry, I must  have misread.  I thought you said you had the Velodyne crossed at 2k!

All the best.

@mijostyn +2 @mahgister +1 @erik_squires This has been a fascinating read and I am impressed with all the sharing of knowledge. I just joined because (to me) I have an odd question and don't know how to start a new thread, and also because it ties into this thread. I have an 18" driver (normally I don't go beyond 15", but this has a BL 31, so I figured I had adequate cone control), and maintains a SPL of 96+dB between 100Hz and its Fs 38, which is my relevant range for this sub. The curious thing is that its free-air response is flat enough that it stays above 93dB beyond its Fs and down to 25Hz, and I would like to build a cabinet that takes advantage of this, a cabinet that can extend its response from 38 to 25. Its Vas calls for a 4.13 cu.ft. cabinet, and its compliance is fairly stiff with a Cms of 0.05mm/N. With its Qts right at 0.40 I'm torn between a ported and a sealed. It moves a lot of air with a Vd at 1286 cc, and of course, that's without much excursion. So, my question is two fold: how can I build a cabinet to drive the response down to 25Hz? And if so, does the cone stiffness hinder or help, and how can I take advantage of the driver's properties? Any help would be appreciated!