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My best for Schumann 4 th

Incredible haunting surreal out of this world Furtwangler whose interpretation had never even be rivaled save by Klemperer mastery second, but really only second... Furtwangler here surpass all maestros and taught a lesson ...Perhaps the greatest musical recording among all his recordings, if not, i dont even know which one is over this one....

i stop listening anything after these two, which give their musical direction the power to reveal Schumann obsessiveness near madness and his way to control it with music healing power over tempest...

is it music? It is more a desesperate victorious act to keep control over oneself by music writing ... It is the way Furt, directed it... A glimpse of hope amidst terrors and in spite of it , as a boat lost on sea between sunrising and sun down and directed as such by these two maestros... Sometimes a whirlwind capture us desesperate and is replaced by a false calm and the sun illuminate the darkness to be replaced by fate returning in the turmoil again and again ...

The suggestive power of this music put Schumann beside Beethoven with his evocative power and Furtwangler and Klemperer knows it , it is not another musical piece, but the radiography of a soul...

Sometimes music is more than just music... Here it is the case...

it is not a leisure nor a mere pleasure more a deep vision, crisis, meditation, a trance ...

Any other maestro direct it only as a beautiful musical piece... It is not...It is a mystery dancing in some living soul and here for us to see not just listen ...

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If the world spiritual had a meaning in music it is now...

 

Furtwangler:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbyEiplksn0

 

Klemperer :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkU8ULGs4aE

 

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Music does not exist ONLY in the horizontal mundane plane with a duration measured by the hour glass or the watch...
 
Music exist first and last in the vertical direction ... There is no flowing time , no melody for the sake of a melody, the melody become an AFTERTOUGHT, created by what is FIRST perceived : the pulsation of each chord as heights and depth sparring in ourself as a spiritual and psychological felt vertigo...The melody is not an addition of external chords but the impossible division of eternity ...The musical scale is described as non commutative by the french geometer Alain Connes...
 
What does it means concretely ?
 
It means time do not pass or do not exist, but manifest only as a revelation of something out of mundane time... Musical time has nothing to do with physical time in science or with the repetitive metronome ...
 
Time in music is like respiration or the blood circulation between beating heart movement in an experience where each note oscillate between before and after, suspended between the infinite heights over us and the infinite abyss under us... Music is based on a non commutative geometry and the direction taken toward the heights or the abyss, toward minor or major chord, as with each chosen note among other possible, can oscillate in an unlimited way but must be chosen at the end...Music is for us then sometimes the experience nearer to the sacred, to the miraculous, to the visionnary, to the unknown... But if it can be so only relaxing and asimple joy, humble beauty, natural and simple pleasure...it can be also way more than that ...
 
This cosmos originate from music not the reverse...Mathematic and even geometry are music not the reverse...
 
Because sound qualitative content of information is no more mere waves in the air than a fire is mere oxygen, air and wood even if it takes these element to be perceived ...Music is information and emotion coming from sound sources, not mere abstract waves...Our consciouness catch a qualitative information, a meaning, our brain can only modulate and transmit but not create...
 
Then i ask sometimes for a pianistic interpretation suggesting this truth and derived from it...
 
Each note must be not so much a sound position taken in a melody, but like a a rifle bullet aimed at our heart... The melody must not be an addition of external notes but a miracle perceived on top of our death between each bullet as a division of eternity...The notes bear  their own melody and created a new one  not the reverse ...Because melodies are not abstraction but explicit meanings born from implicit one...
 
I will translate here the celebrated Keats verse : " A thing of beauty is a joy forever"
A melody is  an impossible irreversible division of eternity...
 
Now concretely which pianists can display in contrast, a pure perfect mudane time flowing melody , and a pure vertical time duration suspended fatefully between the heights and the abyss ...
 
 
Listen to Arrau perfect beautiful flowing melody , easy to grasp and easy to taste:
 
 
 
Now listen to Ervin Nyiregyházi fateful version of the same piece no more flowing but with each note surging from an abyss or falling from the heights, where the melody is only grasped as an after- tought, because each note you will see it coming as a rifle bullet aiming at your heart.then you dont remember the melody or you dont perceived it at first or you forgot it at each note and each other note remind you of it ..
 
 
 
 
It is impossible to choose between these two supreme versions, but there is no doubt that no pianist could ever learn to play as Nyiregyházi played... It is not something that can be taught ... it is out of this world and it is no more mere music... It is sacred terror gazing in the Liszt soul as in our own... A spiritual event more than a pleasant leisure...

 

Scriabin the successor of Liszt and Chopin must be played like this...

This is why i love Sofronitsky playing Scriabin because he play it the same way as Ervin N. in Liszt ...

 

I forgot to say that the Liszt Oberman valley by Nyiregyházi give us twenty minutes of duration ...( a few second less)

The Arrau version 15 minutes....

Can you imagine how a pianist can master each note in a so slow physical duration time compared to anyone ?

Kissin, Richter, Berman, all played around 14 and fifteen minutes...Horowitz 13 minutes... Volodos 13 minutes... Etc

it is IMPOSSIBLE to play at this slow tempo as Ervin N. do it without a complete mastery of the relation between chord and musical vertical time, not physical horizontal time...

And when we listen the piece as played by him, we NEVER feel it as slow, the powerful succession of notes is more a fall or/and an ascension than a simple walk...

Read the biography of this pianist who quit concert life at thirty five , because after the exploitation by his mother whom he abandon after his 16 th birthday to live alone he was managed by american impresario who seems to exploit him too much for his taste, he never practice, and never own a piano for decades, and came back at 70 years old to concert after 35 years absence ONLY to win money for the cancer cure of his tenth wife...But then he regain celebrity for the years till his death... When he played at his highest power, i cannot compare him to any other pianist ...Save Sofronitsky at his height in Scriabin ...

Amazing... now ... Am i a fool ?

Who listened to Ervin N. at the height of his maturity ?

 

Arnold Schoenberg himself who wrote a 3 pages letter to Klemperer about his playings and urge him to take a boat and come to listen this prodigy...

We cannot accuse the Faustian creator of atonal music to be an afficionado of pianists for the sake of their playings , they only serve him as slave working for him in a way... 😁 a man who think of himself as a Faustian genius as Thomas Mann depicted him do not become a groupie for a favorite pianist,... There is a SOLID reason...

Here from an article :

«We also have the testimony of Arnold Schoenberg. Arnold Schoenberg was not a man to suffer fools greatly. Nevertheless, the letter in which he wrote to Klemperer, Schoenberg lavishes praise on this pianist just about unlike any musician he had before encountered. Schoenberg’s own students were sometimes victims of their master’s caustic comments. He did not bestow praise lightly on anyone. However, he seems to be absolutely captivated by Nyiregyházi and his playing.»

Or this from an other article... Alas! i did not recover back the letter of Schoenberg which is very long and totally under the spell of Liszt interpretation by the 35 years old Ervin N.

«Arnold Schoenberg, for one, was bowled over. “Such power of expression I have never heard before,” he wrote to the conductor Otto Klemperer. And then follows three pages of Schoenberg’s analysis of Nyiregyhazi’s “incredible” playing.»

My piano teacher was just recommending a Nyir….recording yesterday.  He then started giving me a brief bio of the performer.  I was thinking what are the chances that two people in my orbit would be extolling him a few days apart.   In the late 1970s I worked in a record store in Ann Arbor, Mi and I remember that one of his releases was in demand, particularly with the mMusic School faculty 

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