Can a system sound too Holographic?


Hi friends :)

So I got a question for those interested. For me, having a 2 channel system with a Holographic soundstage is very desirable.

I bring this up because I had lent some Centerstage 2 footers ( isolation devices) to a friend to try out. To make a long story short, he likes what they are doing under his Lumin T3, however he mentioned that it might be "Too Holographic". I don't know about you guys and gals, but that wouldn't really be a problem for me. Your thoughts or experiences please. Anyone experience a soundstage that was too Holographic?

aniwolfe

What! Putting something under the streamer suddenly juicing up the sound above and beyond sounds nuc&in7 fÛtž.

The way Lumin streamers are made has them well shielded to begin with. 

Something doesn’t grock (points for knowing about grocking) here.

You don’t need to spend $140k to achieve a holographic experience. And you don’t need a Dr. Choueri BACCH filters system. I am a big fan of a holographic experience. A previous version of my system created a wide, high sound stage with clear, localized instruments but it all occurred in front of me. My current system now has clear, localized instruments that can occur beside me and sometimes behind me while the vocals occur in the center about 6 feet in front of me. This might be awful for some people. To me, it’s heaven. The effect depends on the producer’s vision, of course. If you want to check how immersive the sound is on your system, play Coda by Ryoji Ikeda. It’s a kind of boring song but it starts by playing two bells. The 2nd, 4th, 6th, etc bells plays directly to my right. If I turn my head 90 degrees, I’d be staring at the apparent source of the sound. Coherence, clarity, timbre, and so many other things are responsible for making a compelling experience. But too much holography? For some, sure.

I’ve always thought there was a natural tension between sound stage and the bloom of the individual instruments. If they are narrowly or tightly placed in the soundstage but not allowed to expand within their positions - too holographic only because there’s not enough bloom. Ideally you would have as much as both as possible, without detriment to the other category. 

The answer depends upon your point of comparison.  If your objective is accurate reproduction of recorded music, regardless of whether that is a close miked studio recording or a single miked live venue recording, the the answer is no. If your point of comparison is the ”absolute sound” of sitting in a live performance, and your goal is every recording must sound absolute, then the answer is yes.   The former is the realistic point of comparison.  The goal should be building the most resolving system within your budget and personal taste.   Whether that image is forward or further back, the space between images, a sharp or defuse leading edge, the air around images is equipment dependent and a personal decision.  For me, I want  the closest resolution and imaging to that the mike and recording equipment picked    I probably fall into the minority in this forum because I prefer a more forward image of high resolution and distinct leading edge, but also with air and decay.   Like good bourbon, to each our personal taste.  PS.  I prefer Four Roses upper end single barrel version.  Upfront.  Not sweet and relaxed.   

 

I had my room over-treated.

The result was "too holographic".  Lost the center image and the sound was all over the place.  So much so it made listening very weird.

Added back some reflective surfaces and the center image came back.  Soundstage and imaging were greatly improved.