Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?

Prof this is my post above reduced to the essential part :

«Then this quote means this : for being able to not fool himself a man must LEARN when it is right to trust himself and not others and vice versa when it is right to trust others not himself..Not knowing that TIMING MOMENT explain why we are the easiest person to fool... "

This is my exact sentence above...

Any hypothesis/experiment must be created by ourself and with trust in ourself to BEGIN WITH , then dont fool yourself, think if it is about time to go with your trust in yourself or to go with some trust in other advice, ideas, hypothesis or new experiment... The hard task is KNOWING if it is the time to trust you or others... If someone dont learn that he will always fool himself because we are the easiest to fool when we dont know better and never learn to listen the TIMING signs around us ...

I did not contradict Feynman claim AT ALL about the fact that human fool easily themselves...

You use this in a Barnum simplistic way to criticize Rodman about his ideas...

I dont like the way "objectivist" mind or tool obsessed people use this sentence OUT OF ANY CONTEXT...

Feynman never intended his public to doubt themselves or loose confidence in themselves or stop to trust themselves...He means that we fool ourselves any time if we dont LEARN if it is the time to trust only ourselves or the time  trust an other... THIS TIMING  MUST BE LEARNED THE HARD WAY...It is the reason why people fool themselves easily , they did not learn this timing  lesson...Feynman dont means common place fact he means serious thinking by his sentence ..

Any other interpretation is meaningless because instead of being a serious advice it will be reduced to a simplistic evident  common place fact as a Barnum motto : a sucker is born every day... A genius is born everyday too mr. Barnum ..

We can fool ourself in two way : trust only in ourself but also trust only in others... The difficulty is to learn if the moment is right to trust ourself only or right to trust instead another advice.. Anyway it takes more faith in ourself to listen other that to go always in our own way... But there is no creativity without absolute faith in ourself...

We are the easiest person to fool because we dont know why it is time to go alone or to listen others... Simple...

You cannot fool wise man... Why ?

And wise man dont fool themselves .. Why?

They had learned to listen to the MOMENT, but also to others and to themselves , what is this MOMENT about in my life, hypothesis, experiment etc is for, ?

Why are we the easiest to fool ourselves ?

Because we dont want to learn and listen the MOMENT ...What this moment is for ?

Any other interpretation is trivial... A common place fact...

Feynman was not in the gear debunking market and his advice is not for a customer 😊 and he learned how to trust himself or his fellow physicists when it was the right time to do as a bull or the time to listen as a owl...If you dont learn that your fool yourself ALL THE TIME...

i dont see how my interpretation diminish his sentence... Why wise men never fool themselves ? It is because  they listen not only themselves and others they had learn how to listen and READ the MOMENT in time...

 

The best example ever of someone who never fooled himself and was never fooled by others  is Salomon judgement about the two mothers and the only one baby... What did Salomon did ?

Instead of fooling himself in picking what seems to be  the more trustful mother by questioning them but risking to be fooled by the most crafty of them; he decided  suddenly to cut the baby in two and look at the mothers face  and spontaneous reaction ..." Give him the baby Majesty said one "... The real mother for sure...

Salomon did not fool himself ever, he listen the MOMENT and acted the right way letting the moment speak instead of deciding the mothers quarelling speech..

Feynman is like Salomon character in physics not a Barnum character especially if we read the story of his path integrals ...

 

«Let not fool ourself, there is no difference between you and me, we must just pick the right one at the right time »--Groucho Marx 🤓

 

That’s literally NOT what Feynman said. He wasn’t saying "doubt others" and "trust yourself. His point was very specifically about YOU...the person with the hypothesis/experimenter.

Try actually addressing SPECIFICALLY what Feynman said in that quote:

FEYNMAN: The first principle is that you must not fool yourself

Why would that be the first principle? What are ways we can fool ourselves, mahgister?

and you are the easiest person to fool.

Why is Feynman so concerned to point out that YOU are the easiest person to fool (that is, fooling ourself)? WHY are we the easiest person to fool? What do you think Feynman means by that, and why it is so important to account for it in our method?

 

Because of your attitude and attacks on anyone that disagrees with you.

Your elitist, snobby, insulting and personal attacks on people.

 

Amir came in to a thread in which there were already plenty of personal attacks on him and disparagement of his forum.   He was very measured given how many other people could react.  You seem to ge ignoring the amount of ad hominem and insults sent at Amir, as if HE is the egoist insulting people.  Don't forget to look in your own backyard before casting stones, IMO.

 

@amir_asr 

Snake oil?  No way.  Benefits of Room EQ is proven conclusively.  There is no snake oil involved.

You don't even grasp the irony of your own gushing subjective words or spending $15K on an audio toy that ended up being useless.  The very behavior routinely ridiculed on ASR.

This is all becoming hilarious reading the contortions you perform to always arrive at the same place - everything you do is right and nobody else knows anything.

@prof HE IS THE EGOIST 

I have never claimed to know more than anyone on here, yet he has never, not one time, admitted to being wrong, or to knowing something to a lesser extent. That is by very definition bloviation. He attacks people by calling them audiophiles or subjectivists without knowing their true opinions. He continually says he answers a question and points to answers that sidestep really responding. That is gaslighting. You are obscuring the truth but omitting a lot of the stuff he does. 

Amir has good ideas some of the time. He has good insight some of the time. He is right some of the time. He is hubristic all of the time. He said this just above "The luminaries not only say what I say, if you knew them personally as I do, but do as I say." WOW cool. He knows people and calls them luminaries. Just say experts in their field. 

If I have learned one thing it's that people who claim to be one thing, and say they are the most of some form, and have the strongest ethics. Are usually the opposite. Look at Bill Cosby, Brian Williams, Ellen. They all portray one thing and do another. I am not saying Amir is a rapist. What I am saying is I do not believe him to be as ethical as he states nor do I think he operates a huge online forum out of the goodness of his nature. He does it for clout and money. 

You don't even grasp the irony of your own gushing subjective words or spending $15K on an audio toy that ended up being useless.  The very behavior routinely ridiculed on ASR.

That's not the same and you know it.

You know very well that "snake oil" is a reference to products that do not do what they are claimed to do. 

That TacT Amir owned did what it claims to do: perform audible corrections to the sound.

That something breaks doesn't make it "snake oil."

That's just a disingenuous attempt at some "gotcha."

Seriously...and you guys are up Amir's butt for the style of HIS posts?