Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?
It’s easy to make snide remarks like “yes- I do the opposite of what he says.” And in some respects I agree, but if you do that, this is just going to be taken down. So I’m asking a serious question. Has ASR actually changed your opinion on anything? For me, I would say 2 things. I am a conservatory-trained musician and I do trust my ears. But ASR has reminded me to double check my opinions on a piece of gear to make sure I’m not imagining improvements. Not to get into double blind testing, but just to keep in mind that the brain can be fooled and make doubly sure that I’m hearing what I think I’m hearing. The second is power conditioning. I went from an expensive box back to my wiremold and I really don’t think I can hear a difference. I think that now that I understand the engineering behind AC use in an audio component, I am not convinced that power conditioning affects the component output. I think.
So please resist the urge to pile on. I think this could be a worthwhile discussion if that’s possible anymore. I hope it is.
Snake oil? No way. Benefits of Room EQ is proven conclusively. There is no snake oil involved. You don't even grasp the irony of your own gushing subjective words or spending $15K on an audio toy that ended up being useless. The very behavior routinely ridiculed on ASR. This is all becoming hilarious reading the contortions you perform to always arrive at the same place - everything you do is right and nobody else knows anything. |
@prof HE IS THE EGOIST I have never claimed to know more than anyone on here, yet he has never, not one time, admitted to being wrong, or to knowing something to a lesser extent. That is by very definition bloviation. He attacks people by calling them audiophiles or subjectivists without knowing their true opinions. He continually says he answers a question and points to answers that sidestep really responding. That is gaslighting. You are obscuring the truth but omitting a lot of the stuff he does. Amir has good ideas some of the time. He has good insight some of the time. He is right some of the time. He is hubristic all of the time. He said this just above "The luminaries not only say what I say, if you knew them personally as I do, but do as I say." WOW cool. He knows people and calls them luminaries. Just say experts in their field. If I have learned one thing it's that people who claim to be one thing, and say they are the most of some form, and have the strongest ethics. Are usually the opposite. Look at Bill Cosby, Brian Williams, Ellen. They all portray one thing and do another. I am not saying Amir is a rapist. What I am saying is I do not believe him to be as ethical as he states nor do I think he operates a huge online forum out of the goodness of his nature. He does it for clout and money. |
That's not the same and you know it. You know very well that "snake oil" is a reference to products that do not do what they are claimed to do. That TacT Amir owned did what it claims to do: perform audible corrections to the sound. That something breaks doesn't make it "snake oil." That's just a disingenuous attempt at some "gotcha." Seriously...and you guys are up Amir's butt for the style of HIS posts?
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@prof Pretty sure when they said snake oil they were referring to the price tag and how it probably doesn’t do anything better and the fact that it bricked on a firmware upgrade. I’ve never even had any product do that, and if it did I could revert back to the old FW. Amir states snake oil are cables that claim to improve sound when they cost $1000. Now it's a hard pill to swallow that this eq piece works that much better than say a mini dsp or Dirac unit. Or even a Trinnov which can be had for 1/15th and 1/3 the price respectively. Amir saying that room eq is valid but most acoustic treatment isnt is bogus! Let me ask you, do you think everything he says is gospel? It seems you are up his butt for different reasons. |
Snake oil refer to any deception AND self deception, deception and self deception are TWINS... as Feynman said the easiest person to fool is ourself for this REASON... .. Buying a 15,000 bucks piece that did not do the job intended is not less ridiculous that buying am amplifier who did not sound as we asked for ... i dont see the difference Prof... By the way i described how today i read on ASR attacks on a well known designer ( i will not name him because i dont want to drain him in the swamp of this debate ) because he used his knowledge about the non linear way the ears perceive sound to design his amplifier using harmonic distortion in a wise psycho-acoustical way... Few people as "wise" and less "wise" as amir attacked him about any aspects of his work, and i say attack , because they suggested multiple times that this "distortion" business is if it is not fraud it is for useless deluded ignorance of audiophiles.. The designer was a gentleman and answer them politely... I had the EXACT same discussion here with Amir about the way the ears hear, NON LINEARLY IN HIS OWN TIME DOMAIN... Then no one can equate a limited of linear measures in the time independfant domain with AUDIBLE MUSICAL PERCEIVED QUALITIES. Claiming otherwise is not psycho-acoustic knowledge but ignorance... No set of measures about audible qualities can be reduced to measures about the linear well behaviour of circuits ... Oppenheim and Magnsco experiment demonstrated why... they even suggested why we do more experiments in the context of ecological hearing theory... Amir answered with ad hominem attack against Van Maanen and reduce the lesson of Oppenheim and Magnasco to be trivial experiment about mere hearing acuity limits , forgetting how the experience illustrate non linear behaviour of the ears in his time domain... This is BAD FAITH motivated by his business : selling his set of measures as ABSOLUTE truth about musical qualities...
Now prof, if some of the ASR crowds treat a well respected designer this way, contesting him ,and asking for PROOF , and almost insulting him; imagine how they will treat me ? they will never listen to me a second and they will not be polite at all.. I listened politely to Amir thanks him 15 times. oppose my arguments, but instead of answering, he use any means but NEGATE the central problem in hearing theory as it never existed.. i lost complete trust in Amir... i am naive but one thing i know : i learned how to analyse any text scientific or not... i know what is a valid argument or when someone drown the fish..
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