Will China become the poor man’s dealer for high end audio?

After all that i have said about chinese people creativity, i want to be clear now , the CCP is not china , but an abominable dictatorship of the worst kind imposed upon china... There is no choice nor any freedom in China...  I hope to be clear...

Some here will never get it through their heads that Taiwan is the true China and the mainland is just a Communist charade. Generalities need not apply.

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Will China become the poor man’s dealer for high end audio?

Remember all, that was the original question.  Not does China have a long and rich history.  Not a question even remotely connected to the entire population of China.  Not a question related to Chinese capability in other areas of technology, real or imaginary proposed in a study.

Innovation has been thrown around as a talking point.  An overused term diluted by legions of marketing departments.  Tweaking well established designs is not innovation.  Combining old and new technology (tubes and solid state) is not innovation.  Flashy packaging is not innovation.  Real innovation is solving a problem or need with a new, different, and never done before approach.

Topping has made a name with good measuring products that are inexpensive.  Is that innovation?  NO.  Simply cutting costs to the minimum, particularly labor and quality.  Cost more to repair a failure than just buy a new unit.  Better, Faster, Cheaper - pick any two remains true.  

Denafrips has been well received for performance and quality in the mid-Fi zone. Claims of hand matched components.  Hardly any innovation there.  R2R DAC, done before.  Also, not clear whether Denafrips is really a Chinese company.  Made in China certainly.

Is there an existing Chinese Hi End Audio company?  Is there???

After all that i have said about chinese people creativity, i want to be clear now , the CCP is not China , but an abominable dictatorship of the worst kind imposed upon china... There is no choice nor any freedom in China...  I hope to be clear...

There it is, the elephant in the room @mahgister finally mentioned.  If something is important to the CCP, it will happen.  If not important to the CCP, not likely to happen.  

Is it important to the CCP to have a competitive Hi End Audio industry?  By competitive, that means more than a couple companies allowed to exist simply for CCP PR purposes. 

 

All I know, the Willsenton R8 is very good, and even drives my Martin Logan’s. :)

Is it important to the CCP to have a competitive Hi End Audio industry? By competitive, that means more than a couple companies allowed to exist simply for CCP PR purposes.

 

The CCP is busy with piloting long term geopolitics and silk road project...

It dont gives a damn about Audio...If you are a model silent consumers , you can buy what you want ...

My posts were there against the idiotic claims and prejudices expressed here against chinese culture... The CCP is NOT chinese culture...The nazi nor the soviet were german and russian culture...

Is there audio High -END company innovative in China ?

Probably some few in their beginnings...

It takes how many years for a company to be born , amass enough capitals to invest in research ?

10 to 20 years...

AKG or Sansui dont grew wings and enough funds to create their amplifiers and top Headphones in few years...

 

The real opening to a market economy begun after Deng xiao Ping ...In 1994 ...

The real "bourgeois" class out of poverty able to buy high-end audio did not exist before and begin to grow 20 years ago...

Then innovation in high-end audio will come to light in the next decade, beginning now...

It is simple to see that without bashing one billion people creativity ...China was in mass hungers period before 1990... China comes out of that completely after 2000...

Audio high-end need enough CONSUMERS with enough money... This exist only for the last decade...

High-end audio begin now in China...And their high-end first products are sold in an internal small market in Shangai or other big cities in all probabilities ...

They will not beat South Korea and Japan high-end next week...

Then apart from the narrow mind prejudices against any country creativity directed against china here i killed with my speficic references, the question of the OP is answered by some posts who said the same as me : audio high end business need a critical mass of consumers, enough demand , and an history that takes 10 to 20 years to amass enough research fund to INNOVATE...

Wait few years and see...

 

By the way a company as Hidizs punch over the ratio S.Q./price minimal qualities...

They need time to innovate... It is born few years ago and already well known..

«Hidizs products have garnered several prestigious professional certifications, including Japan Hi-Res Audio, Hi-Res Audio wireless, Sony LDAC, and MQA. Additionally, our dedication to excellence has been recognized by winning the VGP Golden Prize for three consecutive years (2019, 2020, 2021). Notably, Hidizs's renowned classics, the AP80 & AP80 Pro, secured a remarkable 7th place at the Yearly Best Earphones Sales Award in Japan from 2018 to 2021.»

 

Then what do you want ?

I already own this dap/dac/portable/battery/bank/equalizer which is the smallest in size for under 200 bucks...

What they will do in 10 years ?